Rasha Kishka das,
I understand that you are in a position of responsibility in Australia to propagate the teachings of CB and maintain the SOI organization in your area. This is my reply to your postings, although the ladies here have already done a great job debating you.
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The idea of brainwashing is just another one that is made up by those determined to be offensive and who do not understand the Absolute Truth.
For you brainwashing doesn’t exist in this sentence, and then exists in the next sentence of your post!
Of course we must first blindly believe that you possess a special understanding of the absolute truth and who and who is not a pure devotee. The only checks and balances allowed are your own versions of scripture and the “Lord in the Heart”, of which without CB, we have no access. You determine that we are offensive idiots incapable of understanding the Absolute Truth. You feel capable of making all of our decisions for us. You admit the necessity of brainwashing in your cult and do not think it any more sinister that drinking a Coke. It’s for our own good. The end justifies the means. The problem is that the outcome is very different from the promise.
It also appears that in Australia at least, initiated disciples who lack the charisma of their guru now have taken his place, even to the point of jealously guarding his writings and videos. It also sounds like they are employing old Sai meditation methods to soften the minds of others. But mostly the social dynamic seems like an adolescent girl clique. The Queen Bee manages her hive by not letting certain people in and keeping others in a constant state of maneuvering for attention and position. It becomes a closed circle of influence and power plays. Who will get the most “serious” award? Who is the most offensive!? (see book – ‘Queen Bees & Wannabes : Helping Your Daughter Survive Cliques, Gossip, Boyfriends & Other Realities of Adolescence’ by Rosalind Wiseman and movies – ‘Mean Girls’ and ‘Heathers’ – a classic dark comedy).
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Most people's brains need 'washing' as they are full of thoughts of violence, perverted sex ideas, greed and other illusions of material life. You are being brainwashed everyday by Maya - illusion. Every time you drink Coca Cola because you saw the advertisements on TV or you know meaningless trivia from watching the news or reading gossip magazines. It is nor a sinister thing.
The thought that the masses are stupid, incapable of self-rule, devoid of enlightenment is an idea propagated by every despot and fanatical religion, fascist government, conspiracy, and controlling entity throughout history. These groups end up attracting the very worst into leadership positions. Convincing people into believing themselves to be intrinsically bad or perverted is a cheap method to create a need for your un-needed product and services. It’s interesting that CB often used advertising analogies. He is a master marketer.
Look in the mirror. Perhaps it is you whose mind is “full of violence, perverted sex ideas, greed, and illusions”? It certainly describes the mind and actions of CB (e.g., Ninjai, homophobia, faked sex scandal against opposing politician, jet plane rides, prime real estate, accepting worship, germ phobia, false prophesies, paranoia……).
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You do not agree that one is better off to have a brain that is filled with God than thoughts of sex, empty material desires, delusions of movies, rock music, gossip, violence etc. It is the nature of this material world that one becomes contaminated. The process of Krishna Consciousness is about purifying. There is no other way than so called 'brain washing'.
You have to believe the lie that we all have a brain that is filled with “…thoughts of sex, empty material desires, delusions of movies*, rock music, gossip, violence, etc.” CB always needed to create obvious ‘straw men’ to easily knock down. It is ridiculously simplistic, moronic, and baseless. You need to have some pathological belief that the world is so contaminated to justify and sell your process of “purification”. The problem is that there are too many inconsistencies and deviations from the advertised outcome. And because people are not as stupid as you assume, it is not easy to sell your product without subtrafuge. You need to be manipulative. *[BTW – CB watches plenty of movies].
Yes, the world is full of baddies and badness, both internally and externally. But it is also filled with great beauty, goodness, godliness, kindness, and light. We all make our choices. This forum is about reporting the cultish nature of CB and his group and why people left. The way in which you defend your organization is just making it look even worse, as you supposedly represent it. You are so threatened by one woman’s blog and opinions that it makes her look even more credible. The cheap way you imitated a child (same ISP) with veiled threats of violence is despicable. If CB were not dictating this (and that is possible) and if I were CB, I’d fire you! He may in fact do this and divorce himself from any SIF, SOI organization after all – or the whole of Australia. That would be his style.
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In this age people do not want to hear aboutGod, their consciousness is so degraded.
This is how CB and SOI justify lies and subterfuge. Our consciousness is so degraded, how could we possibly know or want what is good for us!? Not a very original mind-fuck premise.
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A bonafide Spiritual Master - Jagad Guru is like a doctor. He sees that people are sick and gives them medicine to be well. No one likes to take medicine, but it is to their benefit that they do. Even if one has to swallow a bitter pill they will feel better for it.
Classic CB stuff here. He loosely mimics an ancient spiritual system while using the media and mind control techniques from the corrupt. The reality is that in order to sustain a position in SOI one has to swallow many bitter pills that degrade, disrespect, devalue, and destroy the self and any real sense of spirituality. Not everyone entering this cult ever felt sick, but rapidly became psychologically ill. Those of us who have left ponder why and how we got so far off track, believing ideas and behaving in ways very alien to our original selves. The lifestyle becomes a contradictory and confusing compensation for a real life of spirituality. You find yourself either becoming a guiltless crook or a mesmerized pod person.
If the guru’s therapy does not succeed in generating more enlightened souls, then it has failed. If a lit candle fails to ignite other candles, then it can’t be called an enlightened candle at all. Clearly CB is a quack living off of the fools and the fooled.
There is a clear pattern throughout CB’s history that proves he is not divinely inspired. The center of gravity of CB’s philosophy is fear of disease, germs, illness, impurity, and contamination. The pattern emerges in every aspect of his life from how he sets up his physical environment to his professed theology you so eloquently expressed, Rasha Kishka das.
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You cannot compare how Jagad Guru is treated with how it is ok to treat any mundane person. From the mercy of taking on our bad karma He has particular needs.
He ripped off this idea from the Christians, (although there is no evidence that JC ever really claimed to die for others sins). Jet rides and special meals followed by a foot bath in exchange for my karma sounds like a great deal! CB made sure he wasn’t going to become the crucified doormat like old JC! Unfortunately the universe doesn’t work like that. My karma is my own. CB’s karma is his own. Your karma is your own. Good luck.
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He is not an ordinary man, and it is an offence to see Him as such. His followers are chastised out of mercy so that they may grow in spiritual life. It is like a parent relationship. A truely loving parent that does not want their child to grow up with no values must use discipline.
You are right. Chris Butler is not an ordinary man. He is a pathetic scoundrel and liar who has managed a 35 year career of separating people from their money, time, and energy. He is the ‘Lestat’ of the spirit (see book; ‘Interview with a Vampire’ by Anne Rice).
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Toenails are maha prashadam - purifying. I have had the glory of eating them myself. That anyone could find that disgusting when they consume the dead flesh of an animal or the menstrual cycle of a chicken is beyond me.
This is a ridiculous argument because most of the people here are vegetarians! I’m trying hard not to laugh. “I have had the glory of eating them…” In many spiritual traditions it is acknowledged that what you put in your mouth affects your consciousness, (e.g,. eating vegetarian vs eating meat). I find this practice (toenail eating) particularly interesting because according to Jewish mysticism (also in Islamic and oriental cultures) the feet are considered to be spiritually unclean. In Middle Eastern cultures, being touched by someone’s shoe is the greatest insult indicating that you are the lowest of the low. In many countries from Hawaii, Japan to Afghanistan shoes are kept outside of the home on the door step.
I am not religious and do not belong to any congregation. CB cured me of that. But, I have friends of many spiritual persuasions and enjoy the company of learned people who do not try to hook or hoodwink me. One is a Hassidic Rabbi. I told him the toenail eating story. He shared with me that observant Jews (as well as Rabbis) bury or burn nail clippings because they are considered to contain the darkest and densest energies or “klipot” (literally translated as “husks” that cover one’s higher consciousness). An old wives tale speaks of pregnant women who walk over nail clippings will miscarry. What to speak of eating the nails! The Rabbi felt that the person encouraging others to eat these things does not have a good intention. Not only is this practice of toenail eating horrifying from a hygienic stand point, but also from a spiritual one. If you eat the toenails of a person, you will be affected not only by the bacteria and fungus, but also by a darkness that will affect your consciousness. Besides, you can no longer call yourself a vegetarian, but a cannibal.
CB followers will of course argue that he has pure “lotus feet”. They choose to believe this in spite of evidence to the contrary, either by brainwashing or an investment in their position of power. CB’s socks and underwear smell just as bad as everyone else’s. Anyone who has ever been in his personal service (as I have) will attest.
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The nature of surrender and accptance of a Spiritual Master is that one accepts that He is enlightened. You do not question everything that He does, you just know that He has a close personal relationship with God and that out of love He is imparting this onto you.
One can only do this by suspending all critical thinking skills and accepting blindly, which is vociferously denied by CB. You are asked to do something and then told that you are not doing it. This is crazy making. Take a close look at what he is really imparting. He displays no evidence of an enlightened being, even within the tradition he claims to follow (which will be proved in a forthcoming post). And he is so good at his game that devotees don’t even claim to have had any mystical experiences (as with other Hindu-centric cults). Your inner authority eventually becomes flaccid and impotent.
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One should not engage in speculative reasoning. It will only confuse your already diseased mind –
Translation: “You diseased little fu*que! Only CB and CB alone can know the absolute truth. Don’t think too hard or too much, because this is ‘mental speculation’. You can never trust your own heart, mind, gut, or inner core – ever! You are complete rot!” And as long as CB can continue to convince you that you are sick and incapable, you will remain sick and incapable. In other words -- enslaved.
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for all that do not recognise that they are part and parcel of God are ill. What is the most silly thing is that the medicine is right there on offer but they refuse to take it.The idea of brainwashing is just another one that is made up by those determined to be offensive and who do not understand the Absolute Truth. Most people's brains need 'washing' as they are full of thoughts of violence, perverted sex ideas, greed and other illusions of material life. You are being brainwashed everyday by Maya - illusion. Everytime you drink Coca Cola because you saw the advertisements on TV or you know meaningless trivia from watching the news or reading gossip magazines. It is nor a sinister thing. In this age people do not want to hear aboutGod, their consciousness is so degraded. A bonafide Spiritual Master - Jagad Guru is like a doctor. He sees that people are sick and gives them medicine to be well. No one likes to take medicine, but it is to their benefit that they do. Even if one has to swallow a bitter pill they will feel better for it.
Here is a perfect example of brainwashing….repetition of the same verbiage over and over and over – cut and paste your soul away. This material is around 35 years old. Again it presumes that any one who does not accept CB is perverted, sick, with no possibility for any deeper mission or understanding in life besides the animalistic level. Only the unhealthy, the hypochondriacs, and masochists will feel better from the bitter pills dispensed by CB.
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You cannot compare how Jagad Guru is treated with how it is ok to treat any mundane person. From the mercy of taking on our bad karma He has particular needs. He is not an ordinary man, and it is an offence to see Him as such. His followers are chastised out of mercy so that they may grow in spiritual life. It is like a parent relationship. A truely loving parent that does not want their child to grow up with no values must use discipline.
I would buy this idea of a loving parent chastising the children if I saw any real spiritual growth in people. All I saw was the worst coming out of some of the best people due to CB’s influence. And the minute they got out of the cult they were happier and more productive. As far as what is happening to the children of SOI remains to be seen, but many appear to have serious problems specific to the cult. CB is not an exemplary human being unless you need him to justify your own convoluted belief system.
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I am sincerely disappointed that now I need to spend my time attempting to set right the wrong doing here.
One who is sincerely in love with another would understand that this love is not dependant on how one is treated by the other person, or indeed if one was in a relationship with God Himself.
This is so illogical. Not only does it go against basic common sense, but against all ethical, religious and spiritual principals known to man! This philosophy is the justification for any evil or harm done to another (e.g., spousal or child abuse, lying, cheating, etc.). “You are not the body, so it is irrelevant. It does not matter if someone treats you poorly as long as he loves guru and Kishka”. This is not a religious principle. This is a cult standard.
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People are reluctant to accept that they simply have bad karma and this is the result off activities in their past lives. It is true that many are too caught up in wanting to be the enjoyer than to follow the teachings of a bonafide Spiritual Master. That is the reason why misery exists.
No, misery exists in this case because of jealousy, causeless hatred, and the unkindness of others. You exhibit the typical lack of compassion that characterizes this group. What I witnessed was people so dedicated and focused on “not being an enjoyer” that they ended up becoming what they tried to avoid: greedy and lascivious or the opposite side of the coin; masochistic. There was never a balance and always misery and infighting unless one had the independence money provided. But money did not provide freedom from CB’s degrading spirit. I could not realize the extent of this until after I had left the cult.
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Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa is such a perfect Spiritual Master. His teachings are perfect and simply cannot be comprehended by our imperfect material senses. This is why we cannot appraoch God ourselves but must go through Him.
Well he’s in pretty stiff competition with Moohamed and JC right now. Anyway, this is the line and the swindle that keeps a person opening a vein and bleeding for him. It was the same excuse used to justify the Inquisition, the Crusades, Muslims killing Hindus, the death of Daniel Pearl, and myriads of other religious crimes. The fact that CB has not exploded onto the front pages is that he is neither into sex with children nor has blood lust. He is a restrained rascal with a love for the surf and a taste for the good life and free labor. CB is also addicted to living vicariously through his political puppets. I doubt he will ever start a Yoga Sound jihad. Perhaps his crazy followers will fancy themselves “grim reapers”, but it’s not CB’s style. He enjoys his life too much.
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When one takes up the responsibility of fathering a child he is responsible to that woman for the rest of his life. He cannot simply choose someone he likes better. Just as when someone takes the responsibility of seeking to surrender to a Spiritual Master they must make amends for any offences. Otherwise they simply cannot be forgiven for them. How else can a person learn and accept responsibility for their own actions?
And in what revealed scripture do these ideas reside? Personal responsibility is an oxymoron with this cult. No forgiveness? Fabricated offenses! Your view is colored by your personal “attachment” to one of the parties involved. No benevolent God would condemn a person to stay in a miserable marriage for the rest of his life. Child support, yes, but no scripture advances forcing people to stay together. Scriptures always acknowledge mistakes in love. I think that is why the order of sanyass was invented!
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Science of Identity is not a cult except in the definition made up by those who have already decided that they are against God. A cult is really just a group of like minded people, and this is exactly as we are here. A group of people who choose to come together to practice meditation and share the wisdom of the enlightened Jagad Guru. As enjoyers and slaves to your senses you do not comprehend that surrender is a sign of empowerment - to get off this eternal wheel of birth and death. You associate it as being a sign of weakness.
Here are more classic CB party lines. If we call you a “cult” we are considered to be against God and “enjoyers and slaves to our senses”. Take a look in the mirror. You delude yourselves into thinking you are off the wheel of birth and death and bear no responsibilities for your actions. No doubt you are like-minded. You surrender your being to something that can not save you in the end. This kind of submission is complete disempowerment and castration.
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Freedom is not renunciation of responsibility and only accepting what makes you happy. Happiness is not permanent anyway. You may have a perfect relationship where you feel nothing but love and enjoy everyday together - but eventually your husband is going to die.
So? What’s the point? Everyone knows these things. But it is no excuse to treat someone like garbage because happiness is not permanent and eventually you are going to die. Many followers think, “Why be kind if it leads to attachment and ultimate death?”
Emotional indifference, guilt, masochism, and feeling bad about oneself are prized commodities in this cult. And Chris Butler is a jealous god!
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When your car is broken down you call a mechanic right - because you do not have the knowledge to fix it for yourself. Do you really want trust something as important as your life to the knowledge of an amateur - or someone who simply thinks they know what they are doing but they are not sure? Do not be so foolish!
Right! That’s why I left the cult and learned a lot about fixing cars myself. After years of witnessing CB screw up so many lives for his own self aggrandizement, enjoyment, and monetary gain (and also for his puppies and dogs), I no longer remained foolish.
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I also know that there is something seriously wrong with the character of two women who are around 27 and 28 who Krishna has not given husbands to - there is a reason for that. It is his Divine Knowledge that such women are not fit to raise KC children or able to serve their husbands sufficiently. That is not I attacking your character. That is Krishna himself. It is unfortunate that you have amassed so much bad karma in your previous life and you seem determined to amass more in this. The solution to all your problems is available and yet you choose not to take it because you do not like how it is offered. You have heard lectures so you know that it is the worst offence to find fault with others, to be a fault finder. How does this help you?
This comment is so incredibly cruel and evil. No one should have any doubt of the coldness, mercilessness and hypocrisy of this cult. I hope Rick Ross lets you stay on just to show the world what your group is really about.
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Emotion, familial attatchments, which are false constructs of this material world, and romance, which is the doing of Maya, has no place in how to live a life which is pleasing to God.
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Anyone speaking about Science of Identity as they do here on this board is leading people into hell.
Spoken like a true religious fanatic. I REST MY CASE.