Let me tell you what the ultimate psychosis is: Spiritual masochism.
Bowing down to deities who explain to you in 500000000 million pages how they enslave you life after life.
The day you let go of the fear of these deities, you will be disgusted with yourself for all the times you out your forehead on the ground ons dirty places such as the kitchen of a retreat.
All the times you got sick because your immune system was too weak from not sleeping.
All the psychological damage your must carry for life.
You will get so pissed at yourself for all the times you said “I deserve much worse than this”.


Until then good luck to all those who love their slave masters.
You accept that you are paying for sins you cannot even recall. Entered with wiped memories and may exit with Alzheimer’s.
If these are my creators, I prefer to cease existing all together.
Screw the liberation and spiritual worlds.
The way a person is forced to embrace their Stockholm syndrome is through fear and guilt.
You are a demon. You must relate to the story of the fallen angels who rebelled against god.


You walk around with the fear and guilt of either going to hell or reincarnation.
I REFUSE to believe that an entity who loves me put me through all this hell.
I will NOT brainwash myself into believing that all that is wrong with this process is because of butler and the IskCON demonic gurus. CON as being deceived. And CON as convicted. You have been deceived into accepting willingly that you are in prison for crimes you cannot recall. One thing the SoI fools got right, is that they live in a mental hospital. Only an insane person would buy this crap.

Very true!

Some more things that ring true:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exHareKrishna/comments/1hxautn/coercive_patriarchal_feudalism/

I've talked about this here as well. Be that the scriptural rhetoric, or the way we were raised to view women as an existential threat to a spiritual path, or the derogatory lingo we used to shave away at our self worth, it's all built into how SIF and ISKCON works.

Any significant changes the group professed to have made or shows externally is for PR purposes.

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Dropping this here where it belongs:

https://news.yahoo.com/news/listen-tulsi-gabbard-anti-gay-203059876.html

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How we were raised:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exHareKrishna/comments/1i2j5yi/look_at_how_theyre_brainwashing_children/

Meanwhile, the cult continues to perpetuate the cheapening of spirituality by making it a tourist attraction and McTemple megachurch...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/travel/destinations/the-evolution-of-kumbha-mela-from-religious-gathering-to-a-global-tourist-attraction/articleshow/117303278.cms

https://www.en.etemaaddaily.com/world/national/pm-modi-inaugurates-asias-second-largest-iskcon-temple-in-navi-mumbai:168571

The great achievement of the Hare Krishna movement is yet another massive, overpriced Temple and spreading of their Mickey Mouse religion to the West so that a bunch of Westerners can travel to India and take a big giant shit in their already polluted Rivers—while pretending that there's some kind of a spiritual transformation happening. And all the while perpetuating caste-culture of their scriptures.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/society-culture-and-history/social-issues/india-s-outcast-toilet-cleaners-keeping-hindu-festival-going/ar-AA1xiyBI

Jai ho.

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The great devotee awakening and end of the hare krishna bullshittery continus. May people see clearly through this nightmare of a cult:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exHareKrishna/comments/1i6zyoi/iskcon_and_shame/

Meanwhile gabbard made a million for her gurudev. Follow the money:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/01/is-tulsi-gabbard-a-mystery/681398/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tulsi-gabbard-went-maga-now-she-s-raking-in-cash/ar-AA1xBqrq

Humble pure devotees, doing humble things, for humble people.

Wonder what maha project she's funding for her gurudev? Tinfoil temple? Luxury speed boat? Ski trip? Wai Lana's next hit music video? Ninjai? Lawsuit? SpaceX flight to goloka or to see that the moon is covered in kusha grass?!?!

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Generally, Vedic, Puranic or Brahminical science itself admits to the motive of its teaching. In the stories, one can find a description of the refusal of education for kshatriyas etc. Butler clearly depreciated the role of mathematics, negative numbers etc. On the one hand, there is a fight against ignorance in general, but an unwillingness to disrupt the existing order.

Meanwhile, it is logic, hard mathematical formalism etc. that can challenge such an order, especially in the "heroic" mode. The Bhagavad Gita speaks of knowledge that is ignorance. This could also be interpreted, by rejecting its "divinity", as communication for the sheep, so that they learn knowledge but only "Vedic", not to go beyond the canon because that is ignorance. This is a form of control - not to allow outsiders to appear. Today's scientific knowledge in many places speaks of matters (apart from the details) that we will not find mention of in the Vedic scriptures or those generally called Vedic.

After negative numbers, let's take complex numbers. This is a phenomenon of reality as we know it, that introducing complex numbers allows the nature of matters to be understood more easily. It is easier to solve an equation with complex numbers and then return to real numbers to obtain a solution.

The phenomenon is Euler's equation, which relates the number e to the number PI and the imaginary unit e^iPi = -1.

Another interesting matter, apart from the religion of Vishnuism, is the murder of 18 thousand Jains in India by Ashoka, a ruler who promoted Buddhism. Again, power. The new faith takes power away from the priests, creates a new order. It is better to get rid of the problem of those who may be dangerous. Other voices say that this is an invention of Jains to discredit Ashoka. That Buddhism drew from Jainism, etc.

Of course, one can agree with the Brahmins that new knowledge and technological development may be a threat, but the answer to this is again provided by science - the theory of control and regulation.

For example, the scientific-engineering achievement of Chat-GPT helps people in their lives. They don't have to think, work, study like that. Chat will advise them, Chat will help them.

But if Chat-GPT falls, there will be a bunch of ignoramuses and idiots. In this sense, it is a threat to "centralization of intelligence". In turn, of course, it is also a geopolitical tool. Make the province dependent, create idiots and then control them.



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The internet and AI have opened up a whole new era of information access, making it harder for people to be fooled and easier to dig into things—whether it's spiritual claims, wisdom traditions, or scientific ideas. But at the same time, misinformation is everywhere, and it still takes critical thinking to sort through it all.

The biggest roadblock to real progress and practical human development? Religious ideology and cult-like thinking. You can see it in countries where religion dominates—there's always some kind of tension, turmoil, or just plain arrogance that holds things back.

Religious and cult structures—whether it’s the Brahminical system, SIF, or most others—survive by creating an information vacuum. They push the idea that only their teachings, their guru, their god, or their scripture matter, and everything else is off-limits. A lot of these groups were built on secrecy and elitism. Even the Hare Krishnas, who are loud and everywhere now, evolved from a core of secretive teachings centered around Radha-Krishna eroticism—something they don’t openly talk about with outsiders. They present a sanitized, public-friendly version of their philosophy, but at the heart of it, there's a deeply esoteric and, frankly, bizarre obsession with Krishna’s so-called intimate pastimes with Radha that most devotees don’t fully understand or question.

At the end of the day, these groups run on a mix of myths, half-truths, and straight-up nonsense. Without tools like the internet, I wouldn’t have been able to piece together the deeper history, scandals, and contradictions they try to cover up.

But here’s the thing—whether it’s AI, the internet, or any other tool, it all comes down to how it’s used. Dumb people existed before and after AI; the tool itself doesn’t make someone smart. Scriptures, like anything else, have a mix of useful bits and a lot of fluff. The real question is: how much of what guys like Bhaktivedanta or Butler taught actually helps in daily life? From what I’ve seen, most of it doesn’t. It’s a fantasy that keeps people trapped, spinning in circles without any real benefit.

Humans are built to adapt, not to stay locked into one way of thinking forever. Some ideas might be useful for a while, and some—like math—have universal value no matter where you are. Religion, on the other hand, usually doesn’t work that way. Sure, going to church might help people take a breather from their busy lives, and that’s fine. But when something stops making sense or stops adding value to your life, it’s completely normal to move on. Holding onto it for the sake of tradition or fear just holds you back.

Take math, for example—India played a huge role in developing it, blending it into things like temple design and astrology. But math works everywhere because it has real, practical applications. You can’t say the same for religious ideas like "Sanatan Dharma" or ISKCON’s teachings. Math sticks around because it’s useful, while these belief systems only last as long as people are willing to buy into them.

And that’s the key difference—math doesn’t ask you to take giant leaps of faith. If something doesn’t add up, it gets revised or tossed. Religion should be held to the same standard. If it’s not working, it should be questioned, adjusted, or even dropped altogether. A good example? ISKCON teaming up with a billionaire to feed people at Kumbh Mela. That’s a practical, useful thing. But the core beliefs? Not so much.

Now, people might say math has been misused for bad things—economics, stock markets, whatever. Sure, but that doesn’t make it false. Same goes for cults and religions; they might have some functional value for a time, but that doesn’t make them universally true.

Take Kumbh Mela—over 100 million people gathering because they believe bathing in polluted rivers on a certain day will erase their sins. It’s turned into a massive tourist event, with vendors, gurus cashing in, and a sense of community for believers. But it’s also an example of how you can mix a little bit of wisdom with a whole lot of nonsense and get millions of people on board. It’s a perfect case of religion keeping people in a fog, turning off their critical thinking. And at the end of it? You’re left with trashed land, filthy rivers, and a chaotic mess—all for something completely based on fantasy.

That said, I wouldn’t want to live in a world without things like Kumbh Mela. It’s part of cultural diversity, and there’s beauty in it. But at the same time, it’s important to call it what it is—a mix of belief, business, and spectacle, not some universal truth.

At the end of the day, we have tools like the internet and AI to cut through the noise. But even with all this information at our fingertips, it still takes effort to think critically and separate what’s useful from what’s just noise. And that’s exactly why I use these tools—to cut through the fluff, save time, and help others who are stuck in these groups figure out what’s real and what’s just another story they’ve been told to believe.

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As per usual, the hare krishnas rub shoulders with billionaire criminals to get the job done. ISKCON was able to serve food to millions at kumbh mela by virtue of help from Adani Group, who has been in legal battle in courts for government bribery, fraud, stock manipulation etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_against_Gautam_Adani_et_al.

Because one crook organization is bound to find support in another crook enterprise.

Reminds me of SIF and Q-net group of Japa Das also a fraud scheme helping the rich stay rich on the backs of the slave sudra.

Today Butler got his free massage, fresh fruit breakfast, new air filter, some stolen psych meds, and a touch up on his tinfoil wallpaper. All for free cuz he told his followers that they're not thier body and to chant gopala govinda rama on plastic beads.

Maha toe jam kool-aid ji jai!

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Dropping this one where it belongs:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tulsi-gabbard-pictured-at-altar-dedicated-to-her-wacky-anti-gay-guru/ar-AA1xXK2n#comments

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-hare-krishna-offshoot-has-guided-gabbard-s-views/ar-AA1y0Fxe

What we have here is an image of an adult brainwashed cult woman whose family served Butler hand and foot and sent their daughter to the cult Brahmacharini school to indoctrinate further and ideologize her brain.

A grown adult puts flowers at a picture of a guru worshipped daily, fed, clothed, and allowed to live in an oceanfront mansion for their whole lives because he told them that he represents the blue puranic 1500-year-old medieval god Krishna. For this and a few random mantras, they have given up all critical thought, embraced bigotry toward those outside their cult, and given all manner of time, money, and energy.

Countless Butler followers daily hit up the MSM forums and assorted social media outlets to lend support to this puppet political installed solely for the political pleasure of Siddhswarupananda. He may sit in his living room with newspapers strewn on the floor, FOX news blaring, and partake in his power trip, which he has a follower in government.

Bhaktisiddhanta also had these naive ambitions. He often made elaborate arrangements to meet British dignitaries and anyone willing to give him five minutes.

RUN fast from these clowns before your mind is worn down to a stump, and you can't see straight. Don't get caught in the Kumbha-mela-like mental stampede of irrational fanaticism. It has implications and costs.

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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> The internet and AI have opened up a whole new era
> of information access, making it harder for people
> to be fooled and easier to dig into things—whether
> it's spiritual claims, wisdom traditions, or
> scientific ideas. But at the same time,
> misinformation is everywhere, and it still takes
> critical thinking to sort through it all.

If God exists, then God gave humans brains. To be used, not wasted.


> The biggest roadblock to real progress and
> practical human development? Religious ideology
> and cult-like thinking. You can see it in
> countries where religion dominates—there's always
> some kind of tension, turmoil, or just plain
> arrogance that holds things back.

And party-national religiosity. Let's even take A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami - there is a record that he considered Hitler a gentleman because he did not use the atomic weapons he had. Historians believe that the Third Reich did not have such a bomb. But he was not a gentleman. World War II brought 6 million victims to Poland, including half of them Jews who were Polish citizens. From the beginning, Hitler informed his soldiers that they should be cruel. Cities and civilian facilities were bombed, not military ones. If Prabhupada actually said that, then it is nonsense.

In one fell swoop he broke moral principles (yama; by speach) and showed indirect physical identification - the Hindus had a lot of animosity towards the Anglicans and the Third Reich was an enemy of England. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

> Religious and cult structures—whether it’s the
> Brahminical system, SIF, or most others—survive by
> creating an information vacuum. They push the idea
> that only their teachings, their guru, their god,
> or their scripture matter, and everything else is
> off-limits. A lot of these groups were built on
> secrecy and elitism. Even the Hare Krishnas, who
> are loud and everywhere now, evolved from a core
> of secretive teachings centered around
> Radha-Krishna eroticism—something they don’t
> openly talk about with outsiders. They present a
> sanitized, public-friendly version of their
> philosophy, but at the heart of it, there's a
> deeply esoteric and, frankly, bizarre obsession
> with Krishna’s so-called intimate pastimes with
> Radha that most devotees don’t fully understand or
> question.

The promise of exclusive salvation through group membership and not behavior, one pure and complete message, etc.

> But here’s the thing—whether it’s AI, the
> internet, or any other tool, it all comes down to
> how it’s used. Dumb people existed before and
> after AI; the tool itself doesn’t make someone
> smart. Scriptures, like anything else, have a mix
> of useful bits and a lot of fluff. The real
> question is: how much of what guys like
> Bhaktivedanta or Butler taught actually helps in
> daily life? From what I’ve seen, most of it
> doesn’t. It’s a fantasy that keeps people trapped,
> spinning in circles without any real benefit.

Tools of control. Turn off the AI ??and you're left with even bigger idiots who have given up using their brains.


> Reminds me of SIF and Q-net group of Japa Das also
> a fraud scheme helping the rich stay rich on the
> backs of the slave sudra.

This is one of the more interesting threads that are still unresolved - here is a 9-year-old runaway from home, a Filipino, who lives in a group center in the Philippines, a kind of prison camp, and then at the age of 17 he is initiated by Chris Butler and then becomes the owner of Chris Butler's property, a millionaire. Where does this great trust of the "guru" in this Filipino come from?

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> Dropping this one where it belongs:
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tulsi-gabbard-pictured-at-altar-dedicated-to-her-wacky-anti-gay-guru/ar-AA1xXK2n#comments

Gotcha! Sweet little sectarian bird! Cult plant watered by the teachings of the world's gurus from Lanikai Beach!



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