So all the testimonies just show that butler has a very huge hypnotic charima assisted by some cosmic forces that manipulate our minds and emotions.
I have explained my journey to SoI in a post “mystical forces that drove some of us to K consciousness”.
I cannot blame Tusta k das and others for falling into the trap with the inner confirmation that he is a special being.
They will all die happy believing they were in the hands of a pure , bonafied guru. Our opinons nor a more lucid vision does not mean anything to them.
That conviction is undestructible.
What is a pure SoI devotee? One who is 1000000 percent surrendered to the guru.
One whould jump into an active volcano if the guru asks them to.
This is how members are favored and glorified. How obedient are they and how much of their tlife, love, soul, time... they have commited to butler.
So I guess that qualifies Tulsi because she is one of the best blind followers we have ever seen.
Also SoI members get overly impressed by the devotees who are able to function so well in the material realm.
The politicians,money makers....
Most devotees are just getting by. Minial jobs... slaving for the butler projects on the computer.
It is a great sign of strength to function amongst materialists and expose yourself as Tulsi does.
Most devotees avoid auch scenarios like the plague. So they worship those who can survive such settings.

It’s all about the money. 30 million in ASMY account.

As far as being connected to the parampara/ or Krishna. You may not know this but Tusta’s farm at Muriwai NZ was created for ACBSP. Prabhupad draw sketches of how the temple would look and gave advice on many areas of its running. Like “always look after the cows”. We have found a letter with that specific request. Devotees there believed they were working for ACBSP, rightly so.

So ACBSP passed in Aug 1977. Butler and Tusta went to see ACBSP before he passed on but got there too late. They returned from India and Bulter was at the Muriwai farm in December 1977. Playing the next in line. Butler initiated his first disciples there. A year later Butler announced he wasn’t going to have anything more to do with the farm. Reason: it was done under the instructions of ACBSP. Butler told Tustas to sell it, it took a number of years to do so. And Tusta told everyone that the money would go to Butler. The same person who stole the Hawaii temple and sold that.

Dudley Wrote:
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> It’s all about the money. 30 million in ASMY
> account.
>
> As far as being connected to the parampara/ or
> Krishna. You may not know this but Tusta’s farm
> at Muriwai NZ was created for ACBSP. Prabhupad
> draw sketches of how the temple would look and
> gave advice on many areas of its running. Like
> “always look after the cows”. We have found a
> letter with that specific request. Devotees there
> believed they were working for ACBSP, rightly so.
>
> So ACBSP passed in Aug 1977. Butler and Tusta went
> to see ACBSP before he passed on but got there too
> late. They returned from India and Bulter was at
> the Muriwai farm in December 1977. Playing the
> next in line. Butler initiated his first disciples
> there. A year later Butler announced he wasn’t
> going to have anything more to do with the farm.
> Reason: it was done under the instructions of
> ACBSP. Butler told Tustas to sell it, it took a
> number of years to do so. And Tusta told everyone
> that the money would go to Butler. The same person
> who stole the Hawaii temple and sold that.

What was the formal side of this event? Who formally owned the farm? ISKCON? What was the reaction of GBC from ISKCON to sales / farms?

I like this:

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Screening of the film "Who am I?" and a meeting with the authors
The Faculty of Philosophy and Sociology [Maria Curie-Sklodowska University] cordially invites you to the screening of the film "Who am I?" and a meeting with the authors of the work: Malgorzata Karlsson-Kociuba and Waldemar Kociuba.

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Waldemar is a jeweler by profession. Although he does not have a philosophical academic education, he is undoubtedly a philosopher. A philosopher in this original sense of the word - he is definitely a lover of wisdom. In his search for truth, this friend of wisdom wandered to many places on our globe.

Hardly anyone remembers that in the 90s the press (Gazeta Wyborcza, as far as I remember, the largest daily) called Him "Vishnu from Lublin". He is not only a jeweler by profession and a philosopher by passion, but also a professional in foreign trade in cars. He is also credited with mastering the unbearable scream and treated like the Grand Vizier, returning from the Hawaiian Ottoman Empire and revealing some secrets and describing the honors he has personally experienced. I don't think he talked much about the kitchen, at least I haven't heard of it.

Some add that he is also experienced in the trade of yeast, strips (safe compartment for banknotes) and wallets. It is very good.



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Rama Ransons mother and late father were apart of the Muriwai Farm community an would know that it was owned by a group of directors or financial contributors. Not ISKCON. Pat Bowler being one of the main people. There was a friend, business colleague of Pat Bowler who also was a director. Around this time Pat Bowler was in court for marijuana drug trafficking but got off jail time due to the help of Tusta as a personal reference. He claimed that Pat had helped drug users recover on the Muriwai farm.

Pat Bowler was one of the first to be initiated by Butler. Great choice hey.

Same Pat that took part in spamming (where is the etiquette?) of another sangha after the Filipino leader left them.In Krynica Poland in the late 90's before jumping out of the window (Switzerland?) he did not seem to be the leader of this confusion. He relied on Tusta Krishna das heavily.

The sweethearts will obliterate the sanyasi out of a retreat - where is the etiquette - but abandoning the sanyasi vows is most appropriate.

They do not follow the etiquette to this day - further evidence. Whoever does not suit them must disappear. From the sect, from businesses, from business partners. Of course, they will keep in touch with ordinary people, nonvegetarians. But a sanyasi will be thrown out of a retreat.



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In addition to exchange calves with tractor parts, we have another this time Polish example of "cult spiritual love". Current. One of the former leaders, after buying a car, willingly using the help of devotees, in a situation when it was necessary to transport one of them in a car (supposedly used), did not allow the devotee to sit in the passenger seat. First, he ordered the foil to be placed. And what is this threat? Suspicion of poop in panties? Blood spills? Tendency to constantly drain gases from the intestines into the seat?



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To complete this picture - it cannot be said that money plays a role here - but a limited vision. Let's take the mentioned example, but by name - Ojaswi das from Poland. A student of the most elite faculty in Poland. Place 20 among geniuses. But at the same time he was living in a hovel in Warsaw, where the sink was in the corridor and the toilet was outside the building. He got up at 5am regularly and was doing his rounds. Sometimes he would get up at 3 am and put up posters of the cult public lectures in the city. He was probably the 17th Pole who obtained Microsoft developer certificates. An important difference is that developer certificates were obtained by regular employees of large companies that sponsored and supported it - it was part of the work. Ojaswi achieved it externistically. Which shows discipline and determination. One of the software leaders in Poland proposed him to set up a company. A company that had 1,500 dealers in Poland and sold at least 250,000. license when I stopped researching it. The president of this company used to say, "Oh, you know everything." He could have any job he wanted. His college mates have worked in Redmond since 2000. Then he worked for a while in a company that made online stores. He compacted their software - he made 0.5 pages of code out of 18 pages of code ...

He worked on the cult and Villagetaways websites. It was significant that in the name of renunciation, he wore old torn pants and old T-shirts. When he came back in poverty from Australia, where he was working for the cult, it was a strong signal for me that something was wrong here.

And the punch line - this guy is a diamond. Diamond. Great talent. Following over-regulative principles as then Tulasi Manjari dasi put it. If the cult from Hawaii or Australia knew who to do with, they would have a perception of his talent - they would make hundreds of millions with him. But - it was just a goy from Poland, holes on the knee and an old T-shirt. The poor one came, the poor one left. Another sheep to use.

To waste such an asset is a maximal stupidity...



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DaWatcher Wrote:
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> In addition to exchange calves with tractor parts,
> we have another this time Polish example of "cult
> spiritual love". Current. One of the former
> leaders, after buying a car, willingly using the
> help of devotees, in a situation when it was
> necessary to transport one of them in a car
> (supposedly used), did not allow the devotee to
> sit in the passenger seat. First, he ordered the
> foil to be placed. And what is this threat?
> Suspicion of poop in panties? Blood spills?
> Tendency to constantly drain gases from the
> intestines into the seat?

Of course, some explanation and justification can be fear of a demonic shit..

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One of the tricks of cult and leaders such as Midgett is the "judging is an insult" narrative when something different is differentiation, valuating, and judgment.

Another way is through the narrative of forgiveness. You must forgive. One of the members of the former SOI / SIF Polska has even started to tell strange theories that the victim should apologize to the torturer.

On the other hand, in Poland, some people believe that "We should forgive only those who have earned forgiveness by admitting guilt, and repenting and compensating for those whom they caused harm." "Admitting guilt" is something other than "denial".



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