Your first post had me going.

So let me get it straight:
(I would like a detailed answer for each and every line here please)

Rael lied about having met aliens.


He is a sick, clever, greedy, egotistic and sex-hungry psychopath.


All or most of his claims about building embassies and hospitals and cloning are hoaxes. (How do you know precisely?)



Of course, I already knew his first wife Christine had an awful marriage with him. Her being treated as a servant and
those disgusting orgies (In front of their kids too!). At first despite the immoral behaviour, I thought he could still actually be "God's prophet" and
that we... Do I need to say it again? But when I read in this article [www.culteducation.com], I was at ease but
some of part me still wanted to believe Rael so I was thinking up all kinds of twists to the parts that he was born out of wedlock from two HUMANS! (Not an alien) and that his friend said that Rael confessed having lied.

restless, I am having difficulty understanding your defense (for lack of a better word) of the Raelians. You seem to demand proof that they didn't build space embassies and that they didn't clone.

You have your demands backwards. You should be demanding of Raelians for proof that they have built space embassies and they have cloned humans, not proof from the members here that they have not.

Extraordinary claims (human cloning by a sci-fi cult for example) requires extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof is upon the Raelians.

Are their claims of human cloning verified by independant scientific sources or in scientific journals? Human cloning would set off a firestorm in the (legitimate) scientific community.

And meeting aliens? Com'on. Use Occum's Razor. Claim you meet aliens and you can bilk your groupies of more hard cash.

I will end with this...you strike me as being an apologist for the Raelians. You claim you would never join them yet demand that we on this board PROVE to you that what the Raelians claim to be "fact" is in fact a lie.

Are you an active Raelian member/cult apologist? It would help further any future conversing with you if we knew if you were truly sincere.

Defense wasn't what crossed my mind but yeah, you're right.

I don't know what else to say.

But I'm neither a cult member nor apologist.

restless;

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restless
Defense wasn't what crossed my mind but yeah, you're right.

I don't know what else to say.

Isn't the definition of an Apologist one who defends a sect/cult/religion? Perhaps I don't understand the definition. I'm not that bright.

There is more than enough information on culteducation.com to come to some logical conclusions regarding this Canadian based cult without posting questions which have no answer that you can be satisfied with.

restless, in all respect;

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One more thing, have a lot of Sci-i stories been running during the 50's and 60's?
As films as well?

Many of the stories you attribute to "today" have run in holiwood and in literature for a generation.

Jules Verne and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle published in the 1800's and their novels and stories were made into SILENT FILM MOVIES in the teens and twenties.

IMHO, Joseph Smith was the FIRST sci-fi cultist to start a religion (if I am wrong, then I hope others on this forum will pre-date me to an earlier scie-fi cult).

There were many magazines ("Amazing Adventures" for example) that published sci-fi and deity-creating H.P. Lovecraft in the early part of the 20th century.

The 50's and 60's gave the American/Western culture MANY films on UFOs and aliens. "The Blob", "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers", "This Island Earth", "The Thing", "Plan 9 From Outerspace", etc. Many of these were founded in the Cold War fears. The 50's and 60's were rich in the films and stories of aliens.
I think this period of history was perhaps MORE prolific than any other for producing "sci-fi" films.

What of Mary Shelley(1800's) story? "Frankenstein" was a GREAT sci-fi film (by my definiation) of the 30's.

I think you should note something very important...whenever a FILM is released showing "aliens" as Hollywood shows them; UFO witnesses (i.e., "rubes" IMO) report almost identically the same characteristics of the creatures that the most recent "alien" film shows. Using Occum's Razor, I immediately discount any and all eye-witness accounts accordingly. It's a great "free thinking" tool that I highly recommend...

When the press reports them as only "Greys" with slanted eyes, the "witnesses" see them as colored grey with slanted eyes. Slanted how? Vertically or horizonally?

When the press in the early 50's and 60's reported them as "little green men" the "witnesses" started seeing them as small green men.

Intelligent life always seems to have two eyes in these reports Why? Is evolution of life and abilities stuck on Earth science only? Why are intelligent "aliens" only humanoid and why not looking like birds or whales or blobs or blocks?

Sorry, my friend, but I am too much a skeptic to waste any time at all on the validity of the the Raelians. I hope you do the same. While I may be forgiven for not seeing the "truth" as it arrives in 2025 with the "alien arrival", imagine the humiliation of being a believer who sees 2025 come and go with nothing happening?

I know what any "good" religion would do when this date occurs...they will say that the date is wrong and the new and improved date it is 2125...don't forget to tithe...

Sparky has spelled it out very nicely.

One other point, is that the Raelians and Rael have been busted in numerous lies. Right after the clone claims, the media investigated, and it was all lies, there was no lab, nothing.
So when someone lies like this, then their word is useless.

From now on, everything Rael claims, has to be proven first. Facts. Evidence.

But it is a good reminder, that some people really do believe that kind of stuff. Rael knows that sex, lies and aliens can sell. But it is scary that some people seem to buy it without evidence.

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But it is scary that some people seem to buy it without evidence.

Because of the coercion to believe it without the need for evidence.
One of books says something like that, right?

If there was already a post with this same saying, I did this again 'cuz I thought I didn't
post it after typing.

Certainly people are tricked into believing some of these things.

But on the other hand, everyone knows people who believe in Roswell Area 51 alien conspiracies being covered up, for example, outside of any cult or strange group. That would be a study in itself, and there is a book called Why People Believe Weird Things.

So even though Rael's theories are ridiculous, its not that far of a stretch from Area 51 aliens, to combining aliens with the bible, Chariots of The Gods, and the rest of it. Even Carl Jung wrote a book on "Flying Saucers" as a psychological phenomenom.

Flying Saucers : A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies [www.amazon.com]

Dr. Jung & the Saucers [www.time.com]

The real problems start not just from the strange beliefs, but from the exploitation of people.
It seems the Raelians exist to give 10% of their income to Rael, plus large gifts for these fake projects. Also, the sexual exploitation.

And everything else aside, anyone who would make their Raelian symbol a Nazi swastika inside a Star Of David (a Jewish symbol), that shows the sick mentality of that guy. There are still people alive who had their families exterminated under that Nazi swastika, and Rael tried to use those symbols, just to outrage the public, and get publicity. The Raelian symbol is vile and perverse, as Rael is trying to make a mockery of real crimes against humanity, that is profoundly sick and evil. That Raelian symbol is a form of hate speech. Raelians should be boycotted from all media, like any other hate group, just due to that vile Raelian Nazi symbol.

Raelian symbol [en.wikipedia.org]

The Anticult, you are so right about the Raelian "symbol". I find it offensive as well using the Nazi swastika. What does Rael claim? That it is the symbol of peace for India folklore so its not related to the Nazi symbol?

I had a relative killed by the Nazi's. He was a Lt. in the Polish army and after surrendering after the blitzkreig, he and other captives were methodically machine-gunned. So yes, there are many people alive that have some direct link to the atrocities committed by the National Socialists.

Rael is doing this for press coverage only. He is a rotten old man.

And speaking of "old", didn't the Raelians make some claims of stem cell breakthroughs to make the old young again? You think Rael would have been first to try this "alien" medical breakthrough. He still looks old to me.