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apostate
I wouldn't worry about copyright. He never does.
What goods and money did he steal?
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sWord
From our perspective. We were away at the time. Mckay or someone else senior in the group was seen by neighbours to be [b:463ec88606]helping Ash[/b:463ec88606] load stuff into a van. We came home from a trip to find the house half empty and a short note from Ash with his house key.
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apostate
I wouldn't worry about copyright. He never does.
What goods and money did he steal?
Sorry for the delay. I tried to negotiate with the "apostle" about our boy's kidney, and didn't want to antagonise him.
However he branded me a terrorist and declared that they do not negotiate with terrorists.
Anyhow, the deal didn't come off, and Ashwyn has now denounced his mother and cut off contact with us. So I can get on with saying what they took.
By the way, I asked mckay for his version of what happened when they entered our home, and got a very brief reply: "Ash left with his posessions and his bank-book".
From our perspective. We were away at the time. Mckay or someone else senior in the group was seen by neighbours to be helping Ash load stuff into a van. We came home from a trip to find the house half empty and a short note from Ash with his house key.
Most of the things taken were his. Childhood games clothes etc. However, some expensive gear (only just purchased for his education, with considerable sacrifice on our part) and his education funds left in a bequest were not negotiable. All this stuff was for his education and not to be given away.
When we bought the gear it was on the understanding that we would be sharing it. We weren't consulted as advised in mckay's manual on forsaking your parents. When other things were returned to us, that they had no use for, i.e family photos, scout shirt, pizza hut uniform, in a box labelled "things that Ashwyn has borrowed, to be returned", we never got the photo of Ash's father. When asked for it, he shrugs if off with "I know where it is". Incidentally, Ash never met his father. I wonder why mckay needs to hang on to that one photo.
Very puzzling indeed was what happened to my web-server which had to run 24/7. I'd borrowed a 2nd hand floppy drive from him. He tried to retrieve it without stopping the machine. Burnt out the motherboard and left the machine quite useless. All for a $5 floppy drive. Ash is intelligent. We've noticed most people caught up in this group are intelligent. This behaviour was neither intelligent or logical. Interesting.
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Dave did teach that
'The Bible says that those who preach the gospel are entitled to "live of the gospel" (I Corinthians 9:14), and Paul said that if we offer people something that they need spiritually, it is only right that they share with us what they have materially (I Corinthians 9: 9-11). So on that basis, we have a right to expect that the people we give the gospel to will give us something more or less in return for receiving it.
On a grand scale, those who fully receive what we are preaching will forsake everything that they own to us, and we will use that to live on or to support our charity work. '
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Dave did teach that
'The Bible says that those who preach the gospel are entitled to "live of the gospel" (I Corinthians 9:14), and Paul said that if we offer people something that they need spiritually, it is only right that they share with us what they have materially (I Corinthians 9: 9-11). So on that basis, we have a right to expect that the people we give the gospel to will give us something more or less in return for receiving it.
On a grand scale, those who fully receive what we are preaching will forsake everything that they own to us, and we will use that to live on or to support our charity work. '
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sWord,
You are correct in thinking that they are a bright,sincere yet misguided bunch. What a sad situation. There was a palpable sigh here when your post was put up.
Frans knee jerk defence of McKay is also illustrative of the loyalty and unity within the group. Someone mentioned the 'calsification' process they go through where they need to be hardened in order to survive.
Thanks. I don't think parental love, care or responsibility ends at some arbitrary age. We'll keep doing what we can, and if on the way we stop someone else going the same way, then all the better.Quote
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Sorry to hear about your trauma with the JC's and we can only hope that Ash will see through Dave and leave in his own time.
The [jesuschristians.net] site is on our server and includes as many of the restricted articles as I could find, as well as the open articles. All the files are lumped in together, and have been slightly renamed in www-consortium recommended naming style, i.e no spaces, commas etc in the names. I find this site easier to navigate when I'm searching for an article. Like "Where's the article about the Quakers?" - Go to jesuschristians.net and get the browser to find "Quaker".Quote
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I noticed on your site that you have some articles by the JC's but wanted to ask a technical question. Are these articles on your server or are they just links to the JC site? I noticed that there is a address harvester code there. what is that? and what does it do??
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I noticed that there is a address harvester code there. what is that? and what does it do??
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Fran
Okay, so it's clear it was actually ASH who took the stuff out of your house. Are you accusing your step-son of theft?
Fran, so you are posting on this board too! Ash entering his parent's home under these circumstances is nothing but devious and mean spirited and clearly designed by Mckay to antagonize his parents. If you guys are forsaking everything why would you need to take/steal anything anywhere, anytime? Evil, evil, evil, that's all I can say and Ash you should make your get-away from this outfit as fast as you can. Forsake them and all the JCs stand for. It's not decent behavior.