> My name is Aenas and I have been studying with
> James for about five years.
Thankyou for the reply. And also, for your private message dated a couple of weeks ago. I've just read it. In the interests of openness for the forum, there is a stark contrast between your private message to me, and your public message here.
In private, you were very supportive of the vedantic teachings I have shared in this topic, that JS is not teaching accurately. However in your response here, you have went the complete opposite. Actually suggesting that people like me are wrong.
It isn't possible to be wrong about his inaccurate teachings, for they are public record. As is Vedanta.
Your private message to me instantly looked to me like you were trying to create a rapport, in order to draw me out. And find my identity. I'm not important person, and I might just say who I am soon, and provide much detailed evidence of the cult manipulation of Shiningworld. It wont' matter what may be threw at me, as direct evidence, is well, evidence that can't be ignored.
I have met many very
> educated and compassionate people along the way at
> James seminars. My life has truly changed in
> unimaginable ways to the better thanks to James
> exposition of Advaita Vedanta. He is certainly not
> a "perfect" human from vegan/save the world point
> of view but the most generous, loving and calm
> person I have met in my life in the Western world!
I might be inclined to believe that you believe this. And that is fine. But that hardly invalidates anything contrary. All it means is that you have not got close enough, been openly targeted, or more likely, you are under the cultist control. I know, because myself and many others where. The definition of being in a cult, and brainwashed means the people in it are blind to it. It is only by sheer providence that some have broke free. But it has always been very traumatic for them.
> (And I have met many spiritual teachers before)
> I would have been giving up the spiritual quest if
> it would not have been for him. What he has done
> to the Western world is unimaginable! He brought
> hundreds of students from USA, Europe and
> Australia and even some Indians to Advaita
> Vedanta. That is amazing!
My purpose for posting here, is out of compassion for you. The above quote is hyerbole. It is not true at all. The system that Shiningworld teaches is not traditional vedanta. It matters not that they market it as such. It is not. Within those teachings there are currently a myriad of teachings that are not traditional vedanta, and are classed as modern vedanta.
Modern vedanta has its place. But we simply cannot guarantee the effectiveness of expressions of vedanta that has been changed in such a way that the pramana is not doing what it is meant to.
It is true, that there are many applause to Shningworld, but these are largely by those that do not know any better. It is only when one exposes themselves to accurate vedanta, that the difference is immense.
Now, Isvara, has a place for SW. So that is God's business. Not mine. But it is okay to talk about facts. In my own posts, I have wrote facts. Never my personal opinion. They are vedantic facts.
I would have never come
> across Advaita Vedanta if it would not been for
> him. If you want to take down James, then be aware
> of his positive impact in the spiritual world!
He, and her, are taking SW down. No-one else. And the more they are reacting, on their website, and having 'independent' people come on here, the more this movement is being fed. Galvanised.
> Indian Vedanta teachers are great, but not if you
> are a beginner. As a beginner we need somebody who
> speaks our language and is faced with the same
> issues we face in the West, in order to relate
> properly. James does speak our language and knows
> what our problems are, for example low self esteem
> in Westerners...
That is what Isabella tells everyone. It isn't true. For a start, vedanta can be taught to anyone, anywhere in any language. And here we have another distortion and evidence of no clear understanding of vedanta by SW.
Vedanta is gave by God, for the world. Which means it is for everyone. Which means it can be understood by anyone. I am telling you that whether a teacher is eskimo or martian, it doesnt matter. And whether the student, is white, black, brown or green, it matters not also. Any teacher will relate to the audience appropriately. It is not big deal whatsoever. And for SW to perpetuate that JS is some kind of VEdantic knight templar, is ridiculous.
And this is another symptom. That they perpetuate this fallacy of being important. They are simply a tool that Isvara seems to have use for , or at least, did. I get it, they are never done publishing so called students lovely support on how magestic they are. Pure ego trip. Marketing hyperbole.
his representation of vedanta is
> flawless as far as I can see, and I can say this
> because i have read the works of swami
> Paramarthananda, and attended seminars by Neema
> subsequently to make sure about this fact.
I don't know what way to express this, lol. Anyone reading anything means nothing in vedanta. the starting correct perspective is moksha, enlightenment. then the person will see easier. Your above quote is something Swami Chinmaynanada would say. It's not about srananam alone. It's about using the teachings. Vichara, inquiry.
If what you said was true, then everything I have posted is not true. The fact is you said the above from your own perspective, with conditioning. Anything in regard to vedanta I have wrote is vedanta. This person typing, is not involved. My own personal opinions, if they exist, mean nothing. Vedanta is objective.
> In any case, I read this forum and the ebook
> carefully, and despite the initial shock, I cannot
> say that i find the case convincing. Why? Most of
> the language in the ebook seems tabloid style and
> many posts in the forum seem to be seeped in
> hatred, which implies emotional issues are
> involved by the members.
As I tirelessly point out, an author has creative control to write in any way they see fit. That in itself means nothing in regard to the veracity of any subject matter. One must attempt to use critical thinking here.
I've took a sigh. Thankyou so much for recoqnising the hurt and pain of the victims that are speaking out in this protective environment. It means a lot to me that you can see the hurt.
It is really appropriate for heather to be traumatised. Can we get real here? Must one human try to invalidate another, sinmply because they carry openly trauma of child abuse?
You have got no way at all of knowing whether she had this torment imposed on her. So what do you do? You are in a time machine, of course. You know what happened? God God, I am sorry. But you people are shameful. Neither you, nor anyone else has the authority to say or imply she is telling lies, and posting out of hurt. Damn right she is posting out hurt. Though that hardly means she is lieing. This is surreal.
As for me. I was severely hurt by them. Though conditioning is resolved in all things. That being said, it is definitely dharmic for this topic to keep going. Which is why I am back. I think you have spoke about adharma...
> Plus, i have lived with james very closely for
> several months and i have never seen anything that
> would pinpoint james to be able or willing to do
> such adharmic actions.
Are you speaking about the Carbondale Gita, last year? For that was several months, and he was very adharmic multiple times there. He will read this, and he will know. I can't openly say, as it would involve confidences. But he was shameful as a teacher at times...
...James, there are areas that a Vedanta teacher should not butt their noses into. Particularly when their own conditioning, rears it's head. Conditioning that one would expect to have resolved, after years of BRahman-Jnanam btw.
Anyhow, again, just becuase you never witnessed anything doesnt mean things havnt happened. This isn't the Truman Show. You aint the authority on all of his life, 24/7. :) .
> These are just my two cents and I hope they won't
> get deleted right away as other members have been
> threatened with before in this thread.
You are implying that there is intolerance toward alternate opinion on here. You would of course saw, that staff have moderated in line with the forum terms and conditions. Opinion is allowed, but flaming and in particular trying to get people to reveal their identity is not.
The person who has moderated this thread, is a world renowned expert on Cult's. He knows what he is doing in regard to people trying to destroy whistle blowers.
This topic went a little quiet for a while. And SW members told me that JS posted an e-satang in regard to this topic over the last week or so. It was in regard to someone coming on here to post.
JS and IS, you are glutton for punishment, lol. There will be a time when a collection of abused former students will present to the world, how your cult is working. It's spiritual manipulation. Control of personal lives. And the cheery on the cake, both of you manipulating sums of cash out of students, for your own personal gain. And throwing those students aside. Quite recently. You both know what I am talking about.
Thankyou for bringing me back...
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