one other thing before it slips away..
Janaki has a wonderful detailed recollection of how her conversion to Byron Katie happened. What's wonderful is that Janaki does not appear to know what "hypnosis" is, but her description could be in a textbook!
Put it this way, if you are getting "tunnel vision", and things are moving in "slow motion"...that's a clue!
Yes, there are people who know how to induce "trance" like this on people in minutes, or seconds.
02 - Meeting Katie [janakisstory.wordpress.com
First off, check it out. Janaki's long term friend from Muktananda who was with BK...called her up WHILE BK was in Amsterdam, and he INSISTED repeatedly she go to the BK workshop. He then even gave her BK's number, and appears to have offered a media invterview. BK then basically deceived Janaki into thinking she was getting an interview, but she was really going to a workshop, which she said she didn't want to attend. (notice the trickery at play, even back in 1996)
So what is this so far?
Its obvious that BK needed someone to manage her stuff out in Amsterdam and europe as it was growing, and BK's friend knew Janaki, and obviously had told BK all about her, and how she worked for Muktananda, etc.
BK would have thought...PERFECT! Janaki's for me!! Janaki is mine!
ok, so Janaki gets misled to go to this BK workshop under the false pretence of an interview.
QUOTE: "I met Katie. ... Before the program started we sat close to each other, there was a buzz going on in the room, as people were still coming in and getting their tea. Our eyes met and locked. Very slowly it appeared as if everything around me slowed down and then came to a full stop. Like in a movie, when they do a flash back of someone’s dream. The noises faded into the background and the room started to fall away. Then everything else started to fall away, her face, her body, everything except the eyes. We stayed like that to what appeared a timeless moment, and it probably lasted for at least 15 minutes."
This is CLASSIC stuff. Katie had plenty of previous info on Janaki from her close friend, she knew about Muktananda, and she had done this many times before. Even back into 1996, BK was using the old "eye-stare" method to induce hypnotic and trance states.
What is hypnosis? Its basically a "focussing of attention", look it up! So Janaki is describing going into a hypnotic "trance". Its not mystical, its a natural human state, you go into one sometimes driving, etc. But people become more SUGGESTIBLE in this state, and that state can be induced in many ways. Experts can induce it in seconds, exactly as was done here.
Right after this, Katie starts making powerful Suggestions to Janaki in the wroskshop, she took her out for a "private walk" at lunchtime, and is started Inducing Confusion, doing more suggestions, etc.
So Katie had targeted Janaki, of course.
Then Katie gets into the Baba Transference process.
QUOTE: "My friend had told me that she loved to hear stories about Baba, so I told her about my life with him, about my love and devotion for him. ... But I told her how I had loved his physical form, and how I missed having that. She stopped and turned to me. Her face very close to mine. She looked into my eyes and put her hand on my cheek and she said: ‘my thought is, I am here now’.
Notice that Katies LOVES to hear about Baba, and her love and devotion? What is that? While the client talks about her Guru, the hypnotist is able to elicit the structure of her belief system, and the images, triggers, etc. This is the most powerful information one can collect...and then...
RIGHT THERE, is Byron Katie doing the Baba Transference INSTALLATION, Install the Guru, she even added a cheek-touch, eye-stare, verbal suggestion...I AM HERE NOW. Classic hypnotic language pattern.
In the future she can re-trigger that same experience, with the same cheek-touch, eye-stare, and phrase. Classic stuff. That is even NLP Anchoring, timing the touch. (yes, people do study and practice this stuff very carefully!!)
QUOTE: "That afternoon in the workshop, Katie was speaking. I was sitting on the floor, staring at her beautiful face. I can’t remember what she said, but I know I had never heard such words before. ... Then she straightened her back and said, ‘I haven’t been in her presence for a long time’. All hell broke loose inside of me. In that moment Katie became Baba Muktananda incarnate, and I was back with my Guru."
So again, our friend Janaki is happily in a deep altered state, trance, which was induced by Katie. BK keeps reinforcing the suggestions over and over. Even using Artfully Vague language, like..
‘I haven’t been in her presence for a long time’.
Again, brilliant. The subject fills in the details herself.
This is very high levels of skill be displayed by Byron Katie. And this was back in 1996, so even back then she had it down.
Don't need to take this at face value.
Take the text of the story, and take out the names. And then send it to a legit hypnotherapist, or take it to one, and ask her/him, to explain it to you. Its very standard stuff. But very well executed.
So its all there described in Janaki's blog.
Notice the similarities to the conversion of Carol Skolnick, in her paper, "Going to Work Naked: My Journey to Byron Katie".
She TARGETS people, gathers intelligence, pre-frames them, talks on the phone, meets them, induces trance states, creates confusion to overwhelm the conscious mind, asks question to collect information, inserts powerful suggestions, creates Guru Transference, more suggestions, and on from there.
The key is to pick people with a dead Guru they are longing for!
Notice how many senior BK people have come from previous Guru's?
and there are some Byron Katie facilitators who are also trained hypnotherapists, as detailed earlier in the thread.
So, obviously, they know exactly what they are doing. Its not easy to do that stuff, it takes years of practice and hard work. But some people have natural talents, and can learn it quickly.
But the process is quite obvious, even with the covert methods, and the link above describes it in detail.
This is not just about Byron Katie, but about Guru's and especially Anti-Guru's of all stripes, who are doing versions of this.
The lesson is EDUCATION about these methods. Then you notice them, and can figure out what is happening. But also, there are people who are so advanced, that its almost impossible to see what they are doing, except for people who are trained. Many will even put out false clues, to distract from what they are really doing. For those folks, people and life are a big chess game, and the goal is CHECKMATE.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2009 07:28AM by The Anticult.