In terms of covert conversational hypnosis and persuasion, not one word has been exaggerated. If anything, it has been conservatively presented.
Those who try and tap dance around it, when they have the training and knowledge, are liars, or perhaps the better word is propagandists, as they know what they are saying is false.
The reason most people don't write about it, is that they have not had the years of training to understand that type of modern persuasion, which generally costs 10's of thousands of dollars, and is learned in the school of hard knocks. That is, after going through dozens of seminars and certifications.
Fortunately, there are some who have attended dozens of LGAT's from working at them, and also attending many LGAT's using tricky refund policies...
But those who understand these methods of persuasion, do not speak out about it, as they generally are making a lot of money using those techniques. Its in their self-interest to conceal it.
Ask Stever Robbins about it, for example, and get out your tap-dancing shoes, and/or credit card.
And there are some who do teach about it, but again, they charge a fortune, and screw with your mind 10 ways from Sunday, AS they are teaching about it.
WARNING: do not buy ANYTHING from anyone on the internet that promises to teach this type of conversational hypnosis. 99.999% of them, are running bigger games than the LGAT's themselves, and have little idea of what they are even talking about! Scammers scamming wannabe scammers, is an old game! What a world...
But the happy thing is, people can now freely download information that used to cost many 10's of thousands of dollars to aquire. For example, anyone could search Google for these keywords.
torrent Library of NLP
torrent NLP hypnosis
That is a start. But how many people are going to dedicate the hundreds/thousands of hours of intense intellectual work, and practice, to figure it out? Very few.
Also, there is enormous deliberate exaggeration in the sales of these same materials.
At least 50% of what they are doing is not hypnosis, but is just LGAT sales, which is another area.
for example, The Work is the supreme way in dealing with Objections to the Sale. There are some posts out there now, some sincere, some are shills, about the Byron Katie School, and its expensive cost. One post says that the person was upset that the cost was so high, and thought BKI was "greedy". But then they did a Turnaround, and realized THEY were greedy, and sent BKI a box of chocolates. (that one sounds like a shill-post from BKI salespeople to mess with people's objections).
Also, there are posts that say something like...sure Byron Katie is the queen of mean, but that just makes you love her more...etc. They Turnaround everything, and make it work for them, and against you.
The Turnaround aspect of the work is utterly brilliant, and has nothing to do with hypnosis. Its a godsend to those who SELL LGAT's on the phone everyday on commission, like the Byron Katie School. They can use The Work Turnaround on the customers right on the phone, and overcome any objection to making that $5,000 sale. They LOVE that process, and expect many other LGAT's to copy a version of it. Its a checkmate, just like BK said.
So the conversational, metaphorical Storytelling hypnosis is only one piece of the puzzle.
Straight up LGAT advanced sales methods are a large part of it too, and they overlap.
But they are both about one thing...PERSUASION, and doing it in such a way the person is not aware it is happening.
(notice the content of the non-dual philosophy, is actually NOT relevant to any of that, it can be applied to anything. The non-dual philosophy, in this model, is simply there to distract the conscious mind, literally. That is a fact, not an exaggeration).
This is why the harping about everything being "Voluntary" is the biggest joke. Its outright comedy.
That type of deep persuasion, the entire point is to make everything appear to be voluntary, when its been engineered. Its called Persuasion Engineering. Anyone can look it up.
And that is why they have picked naive audiences, and stay away from more critical minded customers, which are too hard of a sale.
What is the solution?
There need to be textbooks written by trained academics exploring these issues to start, and then some TV documentaries, and public explanations by ethical writers, and things of that nature.
It has to become a new subset in the fields of knowledge.
There can't be any type of "law" against it, it will be here on this earth as long as there is human cognition.
Even Byron Katie knows that, when she almost got into trouble years ago, and her response was...she was just having a conversation with words. That is all they have to say...its just a conversation with words.
So hypnosis, one needs to be careful with that word. The various Byron Katie apologists know all about it. Hypnosis is not some mystical state, like an old movie. They are not a robots, or zombies, etc. The public view of hypnosis is about 70 years out of date.
Modern hypnosis is really a form of enginnered storytelling, in essense. (This is why BK is constantly talking about "Stories", and to lose your story, and believe her story).
Hypnosis is simply intense focussed attention, where a person becomes more Suggestible to influence.
In this context, its about enhancing group persuasion, making it more powerful, and installing post-hypnotic suggestions, which can be very powerful.
So it comes down to INFLUENCE, and that is social power. The power to manage groups of people.
They use words, images, stories, to unconsciously influence people without their awareness.
And they have added dozens of techniques all around these methods.
This is why they are making millions a month. For the untrained navie audience, it is literally taking like taking candy.
The only possible solution is public education.
But the scary thing is, it does appear that large segments of the public can't or won't see beyond the most basic level of these things, and focus on the superficial "philosophy", which at best is window dressing, and is generally just there as a mechanism to distract the subject.
But everyone understands getting scammed, getting duped, getting sold snake-oil, and the Emperor With No Clothes.
Its like that old movie, Being There, with Peter Sellers. Except in the movie, he was a simpleton savant with an uncheckable background, and everyone projected what they wanted to believe on him.
Eckhart Tolle must have copied that movie almost verbatim.
Now, we have people, like Byron Katie and many others, pretending like they are simpleton savants with an uncheckable background, telling ambiguous Stories, encouraging the public to project their fantasies on them, while installing their own systems in peoples minds without their conscious awareness.
In the end, its about wielding enormous social power and influence, done in modern indirect, permissive ways. That is the new mass persuasion, permissive and indirect, but even more powerful.
I've read the last few pages of this thread with increasing horror, and I'm not exaggerating. My first exposure to the role of hypnosis in lgats and cults was The Anticult's seminars on hypnosis on this thread, months ago. I have read at least 100 books on cults, 'high demand groups", and "new religious movements." None of these books devoted more than a paragraph --if that-- to the use of hypnosis in creating a flock of followers. Of course, they talked about mind control, but not in the way TAC does. They never talked about how hypnosis and conditioning start instantly, at the first handshake. I don't understand why they didn't.
I initially thought (or perhaps hoped) TAC was exaggerating, or at least talking about a phenomenon that occurred only in a few cults. But the more I read and learned and thought about my own and others' experiences, the more I realized that hypnosis is rampant in lgats and cults. Absolutely rampant. These gurus get away with it because the general public is uninformed and/or dismissive, and for some reason that I would love to be enlightened about, experts don't talk about it....
Would it be worth it to lobby for some sort of bill requiring that students in schools be taught about the malevolent uses of hypnosis? (I actually don't think that's a great idea, I'm just throwing something out there.) Maybe there's a way to use google adsense to place ads for this site that would come up anytime someone googles an lgat. I'm actually up for that. I'd contribute to that.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2009 12:04PM by The Anticult.