Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Apollo
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Date: June 13, 2011 05:49PM
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Apollo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo9odIcVpko
Ok, so it appears the name she uses in the above clip ‘’Lucy’’ is not her real name. Her real name is in fact Zoe Briggs. ‘’Ash’’, who she appears alongside, is Ashley Kennedy who is/was her ‘’boyfriend’’.
She has used the names ‘’Jinnythesquinny’’ and ‘’anaglypta’’ on this forum and uses the name ‘’Lisa Simpson’’ on the JCs forum which she previously hosted before being ousted. She was not ‘’Liverpool Writer’’ who created this thread.
Her appearance on the JCs wiki page has coincided with the recent update of the JCs forum. It would seem Zoe is back on the scene to assist a lonely and helpless Dave in the hope he’ll throw a few scraps of attention her way.
It's now been established that Lucy and Zoe Briggs are two separate people. Both are ignorant apologists who have been willing to appear on film in support of the cult but that's where the comparison ends. I had asked Glen who Lisa Simpson/Jinnythesquinny was in the above JCs clip and he said she's the one who looks like a ''tree-hugger''. From that I gathered it must have been Lucy. It would seem my interpretation of a ''tree-hugger'' is different to that of Glen's.
Apologies to the moderators for this misinformation.
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Apollo
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Date: June 13, 2011 06:32PM
Zoe has now made her way over to the JCs forum to ensure Dave knows about her recent editing of the wiki page. This is her way of letting the ''Apostle'' know she's still fully ''commited''. She's done the dirty work and now she's returned for her reward, a huge pat on the back from the ''Apostle''. That's her got her ''fix'', she must be feeling all warm and fuzzy inside!
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Malcolm Wesley WREST
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Date: June 13, 2011 09:49PM
Zoe. of course, is always free to join the "cause" that she champions.....the fact that she HASN'T...(presumably lacks the guts to do so, while hypocritically criticizing those who have)..."says" a lot more about her and the "nice vibes" she claims the current JC's give her....than whatever she may bleat...
(It would be a suitably miserable "end" for her I must say....to become enslaved to the fool, she has pandered to for so long....Go on, Zoe, DO IT!!)
David will "groom" her as best he can though....for further service to his empire....knowing now, that she somehow needs the confirmation of his "love".
(It would be a suitably miserable "end" for her I must say....to become enslaved to the fool, she has pandered to for so long....Go on, Zoe, DO IT!!)
David will "groom" her as best he can though....for further service to his empire....knowing now, that she somehow needs the confirmation of his "love".
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Apollo
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Date: June 14, 2011 05:40AM
[jcs.xjcs.org]
My guess would be no, no and NO. I'd also be very surprised if the hospital or the parents of the child patients have any idea that they may be dealing with a paedophile.
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Apostate
The below patient details are lifted from [www.adopt-a-patient.webs.com]. I have censored their names to protect the privacy of each individual and have to ask what the ethics board at the Kenyatta National Hospital would think of this? Do they even know if their patient details are being sent around the globe vIa internet. Have the children and older patients been asked to sign a release of information consent form? Is the Chief Public Relations officer of the Kenyatta National Hospital aware of the website releasing all this information? Why are Robin and Christine not providing appropriate guidance regarding this matter, as they completed a Registered Nurse degree years ago?
My guess would be no, no and NO. I'd also be very surprised if the hospital or the parents of the child patients have any idea that they may be dealing with a paedophile.
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Malcolm Wesley WREST
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Date: June 14, 2011 02:56PM
I would still credit Casey for the effort he has gone to here, Apollo......psychologically he needs to find a "world" outside of the universe, McKay has entrapped him in......such efforts as we see here, would only help him (and the other JC's) in any process of recovery from McKay....I applaud Casey for what he has started.
(McKay would never do it...unless he had a camera filming him, "dispensing his alms to the poor"!)
...although I admit you are quite right Apollo, in the fact that the "leadership" in Kenya(Robin and Christine?), need to put some systems into effect (triangulated matrix of "authority") that would prevent any incidences of child abuse, on the part of whoever may have unfortunately, had such "difficulty" in the past, and is possibly still an active member within the community.
They have a "record" now, despite the public spin they might like to put on it....some show of responsiblity towards the wider public might be a better "Christian witness" than sweeping it all under the carpet....
(McKay would never do it...unless he had a camera filming him, "dispensing his alms to the poor"!)
...although I admit you are quite right Apollo, in the fact that the "leadership" in Kenya(Robin and Christine?), need to put some systems into effect (triangulated matrix of "authority") that would prevent any incidences of child abuse, on the part of whoever may have unfortunately, had such "difficulty" in the past, and is possibly still an active member within the community.
They have a "record" now, despite the public spin they might like to put on it....some show of responsiblity towards the wider public might be a better "Christian witness" than sweeping it all under the carpet....
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Stoic
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Date: June 14, 2011 03:19PM
While a programme of visiting these very needy patients is laudable, what struck me is that it is difficult to imagine a group more vulnerable to abuse.
These patients seem to have been abandoned, with no money or social support, with serious medical limitations both physical and mental. I cannot imagine that any of these patients are in a position to protest any unseemly behaviour that a 'generous' volunteer sees fit to perpetrate on them.
Definitely a situation where a leadership with any pretensions at all to 'doing good' in this world needs to monitor and ensure that a system is in place that allows these already very vulnerable people the dignity of being free from abuse by those purporting to care for them.
This is one area where Robin and Christine need to differentiate themselves sharply from the example of Davejc, and think hard about who ultimately benefits from the 'doing good' if this lack of monitoring and ethics is again swept under the carpet as if it has never happened.
These patients seem to have been abandoned, with no money or social support, with serious medical limitations both physical and mental. I cannot imagine that any of these patients are in a position to protest any unseemly behaviour that a 'generous' volunteer sees fit to perpetrate on them.
Definitely a situation where a leadership with any pretensions at all to 'doing good' in this world needs to monitor and ensure that a system is in place that allows these already very vulnerable people the dignity of being free from abuse by those purporting to care for them.
This is one area where Robin and Christine need to differentiate themselves sharply from the example of Davejc, and think hard about who ultimately benefits from the 'doing good' if this lack of monitoring and ethics is again swept under the carpet as if it has never happened.
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Apollo
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Date: June 14, 2011 04:56PM
[jesuschristians.com]
Dave slips up again. I think we need to establish exactly who Dave is referring to here.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/14/2011 05:13PM by Apollo.
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Dave
Of course, even if they were successful in getting yet another Christian charity shut down, WE would just go somewhere else and try to help people, since the world is full of people who need help. (And they would continue to stalk, because the world as they see it is full of people whom they can hurt.)
Dave slips up again. I think we need to establish exactly who Dave is referring to here.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/14/2011 05:13PM by Apollo.
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Apollo
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Date: June 14, 2011 07:49PM
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Apollo
http://jcs.xjcs.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=3Quote
Apostate
The below patient details are lifted from [www.adopt-a-patient.webs.com]. I have censored their names to protect the privacy of each individual and have to ask what the ethics board at the Kenyatta National Hospital would think of this? Do they even know if their patient details are being sent around the globe vIa internet. Have the children and older patients been asked to sign a release of information consent form? Is the Chief Public Relations officer of the Kenyatta National Hospital aware of the website releasing all this information? Why are Robin and Christine not providing appropriate guidance regarding this matter, as they completed a Registered Nurse degree years ago?
My guess would be no, no and NO. I'd also be very surprised if the hospital or the parents of the child patients have any idea that they may be dealing with a paedophile.
Quote
Apostate
The below patient details are lifted from [www.adopt-a-patient.webs.com]. I have censored their names to protect the privacy of each individual and have to ask what the ethics board at the Kenyatta National Hospital would think of this? Do they even know if their patient details are being sent around the globe vIa internet. Have the children and older patients been asked to sign a release of information consent form? Is the Chief Public Relations officer of the Kenyatta National Hospital aware of the website releasing all this information? Why are Robin and Christine not providing appropriate guidance regarding this matter, as they completed a Registered Nurse degree years ago?
I have written to the hospital by their provided email address advising them of my concerns and will let them deal with the matter as they see appropriate.
While the action of visiting patients is an admirable one I think patients would be best served if confidentiality regarding their medical details remain intact.
The hospital contact details are:
Kenyatta National Hospital
Nairobi
Kenya
00202
Kenya
knhadmin@knh.or.ke
2726300-9
272 52 72
0722 829 500/1/2
[www.knh.or.ke]
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a 2 year old infant with hydrocephalus which means he has an unusually large head. He does not speak or walk and it's difficult to take him out of bed without the proper wheel chair system to support his neck, which the hospital does not have. However, he can be very active.
He likes to grab onto your fingers and "dance" around; please be sure to provide your own drum beat as well! If you dance well enough, you'll get some squeals and giggles out of him for sure.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a 6 year old boy who suffered from a disease which paralyzed his arms and legs and affected his mind. It is not clear how much he understands, but he can be a bit moody untill he gets to know you a bit better. I suspect he would like for someone to read a story or two to him! UPDATE: XXXXX was recently given his own personal wheelchair as a donation so if you volunteer to visit him, don't forget to take him out for a stroll in his new hotrod!
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XXXXX
XXXXX is a 10 year old girl in the Oncology ward. Unfortunately she lost one of her eyes to cancer but she is a very bright and happy child who is now participating in the school program.
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XXXXX
XXXXX is a young boy in the Oncology ward. Due to retinal cancer he lost both his eyes, although he is making some good progress in learning how to live with it. Story telling would be a fantastic way to interact with this child and bring a bit of light back into his life.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is an 8 year old boy in the burn ward. He is also very bright and likes to draw pictures, though he often seems a bit too sad for a child of his age. However, we hope he'll cheer up a bit as he participates in the school program.
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XXXXX
XXXXX is a 7 year old boy who is unable to walk, although he has a wheel chair which he is able to use quite well, even though it's an adult sized chair! He was abandoned at the hospital and has a very nice personality. He is currently enrolled on the school program but it will be a looooong process for him with tutoring only once a week.
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XXXXX
XXXXX is a 12 year old boy in the same ward with XXXXX. He is an IDP (internally displaced person) which basically means he is a refugee in his own country because of the chaos resulting from controversial elections back at the end of 2007. It is not clear what happened to his family and he recieves no visitors. He is currently enrolled on the school program. His subjects are English and Kiswahili
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XXXXX
XXXXX is a 60 year old woman with brain damage. It is not clear how much she understands but she is able to respond to commands like "turn over" and "eat" and she often wiggles around when speaking directly to her so it appears she has some understanding of what is happening around her. Perhaps hearing a story or two would do her some good. UPDATE: XXXXX was recently given her own personal wheelchair so if you decide to visit with her, don't forget to take her for a spin!
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XXXXX
XXXXX in a young boy who is also now participating in the school program. It's sometimes hard to know what he is thinking as his facial expressions seem to change from sad to happy and back again every few minutes.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a young woman who is also mentally challenged, but she knows English and is quite good at responding to conversation, though it's sometimes difficult to understand her responses. She was abandoned in town and brought to the hospital by good samaritans 1 year ago.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a middle aged man. He has some family but they live far away and they cannot afford the transport to visit him. He was recommended by the doctor to be a worthy patient for visitation.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a middle aged man with a mental challenge. Apparently, he was beaten by police at sometime in his past and he still has dreams about it now. He knows how to respond to questions and general conversation but has difficulties expressing himself. With a bit of patience it is possible to have a meaningful conversation. UPDATE: XXXXX was recently given his own personal wheelchair so if you decide to visit him, please consider taking him for a spin around the ward!
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XXXXX
XXXXX is a very long term resident at the hospital, mainly because she is slightly mentally challenged and she has no where else to go. However, she is able to hold a decent conversation and to express herself well enough to be understood.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a very friendly woman with a very serious hip injury. She cannot leave her bed and even though she is discharged, she still feels quite a bit of pain when she attempts to move. She enjoys reading, but knows very little English.
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XXXX;
XXXX is a bit of a special needs case who was hit by a car. It seems she may have suffered a bit of brain damage, but the extent is not clear. She is able to talk, but rarely does so. It also appears that she is suffering from extreme depression, which could be the reason why she speaks very little, as opposed to brain damage. She could benefit very much from a patient volunteer.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a middle aged man who is also discharged from the hospital but cannot leave because of fees. He is waiting to get back to his wife and two children who live far away and cannot afford the transport fees to visit him.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a 15 year old orphan, although she recieves occasional visits from her cousin. She was studying in class 7 but due to some extremely bad burns on her legs from a cooking accident a few months ago she is now living in the hospital. She was recently added to the school program and the total enrolment is up to 7 children now. XXXXX chose to study maths and English and was very excitited to recieve her new schools books. She was also given some clothing, as she only had a hospital robe to wear previously.
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XXXXX:
XXXXX is a 6 year old boy with cerebral palsey.
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I would like to encourage as many people as possible to follow Apostate's lead and contact the hospital. Details of the child abuse within the Jesus Christians cult could also be passed on. We must take a no risk policy when we know children are involved.
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Malcolm Wesley WREST
()
Date: June 15, 2011 05:06AM
In evaluating the "mental health" of McKay,
.....the quality of his lies, inform us of how dimly "conscious" (or not!),
he remains of any reality external to him.
To quote (thank you Apollo)
Of course, even if they were successful in getting yet another Christian charity shut down, WE would just go somewhere else and try to help people, since the world is full of people who need help. (And they would continue to stalk, because the world as they see it is full of people whom they can hurt.)
The (sigh!)...usual trotting out of:
False accusations
There has NEVER been a "Christian charity" shut down by the actions of his critics
Exaggerated claims
Further delusions of grandeur on McKays' part as "WE" now exists, if at all....completely without him!
Emotionally charged language
"Stalk" is a deliberate attempt to prejudice the mind of the reader against his critics.....
McKays' PREDATION on the young and the vulnerable is THE issue.
Incoherence, referenced to his own illogic
"And they would continue to stalk, because the world as they see it is full of people whom they can hurt"....patently intended to be a "nasty barb" but to my mind, so pitiably childish that it indicates how quickly McKay is losing grasp of the reality of his dementia.
In the JesusChristians, he could make the most asinine claims (and expect to be applauded for them) as he knew that whoever dared question him, would have a "grievance" manufactured against them and be threatened with public humiliation and ultimate dismissal from "God's Kingdom". The result of his "Reign of Terror"?.....he has narcissistically consigned himself to slow, but sure, mental retardation.
.....the quality of his lies, inform us of how dimly "conscious" (or not!),
he remains of any reality external to him.
To quote (thank you Apollo)
Of course, even if they were successful in getting yet another Christian charity shut down, WE would just go somewhere else and try to help people, since the world is full of people who need help. (And they would continue to stalk, because the world as they see it is full of people whom they can hurt.)
The (sigh!)...usual trotting out of:
False accusations
There has NEVER been a "Christian charity" shut down by the actions of his critics
Exaggerated claims
Further delusions of grandeur on McKays' part as "WE" now exists, if at all....completely without him!
Emotionally charged language
"Stalk" is a deliberate attempt to prejudice the mind of the reader against his critics.....
McKays' PREDATION on the young and the vulnerable is THE issue.
Incoherence, referenced to his own illogic
"And they would continue to stalk, because the world as they see it is full of people whom they can hurt"....patently intended to be a "nasty barb" but to my mind, so pitiably childish that it indicates how quickly McKay is losing grasp of the reality of his dementia.
In the JesusChristians, he could make the most asinine claims (and expect to be applauded for them) as he knew that whoever dared question him, would have a "grievance" manufactured against them and be threatened with public humiliation and ultimate dismissal from "God's Kingdom". The result of his "Reign of Terror"?.....he has narcissistically consigned himself to slow, but sure, mental retardation.
Re: "Jesus Christians," "Australian cult," Dave McKay
Posted by:
Fortissimo
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Date: June 15, 2011 06:02AM
"We" could be referring simply to he and the consort.
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