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Desteni, Hitler, antisemitism
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: May 26, 2010 03:38AM

Here's a recent example of blatant antisemitism and sympathy for the Nazi cause on the part of Bernard Poolman of Desteni . . .

"Study what we say. Have a look at what we said was going to happen in the World, as more and more things are being exposed, showing the slaughter house of our economics systems that do not support life equally. That is not what Jesus left here as, 'Love thy neighbour as thyself' it is all just personal abuse and personal greed. You are all running after the thirty pieces of silver, dear Christians, and of other denominations. I mean, whys it called denominations? It sounds like money, isn’t it? Hmm, denominators, you denominators, de-mans, there’s also demons in there. So, have a look what you’re really doing. You are all playing 'Judas'. You are all the 'Jews', that does this. Isn’t it. 'Jews', thus you do this. It’s all 'Jews'. I mean, Hitler seems to have been the only one with Common Sense, when he identified, that those that profess in their vision, that 'Zion' is the point of the Answer of having heaven and some Christian result, in based on blood-letting in the name of 'Jesus', that all of this, is, demonic in nature, because it only support personality and not principle. Hitler had it. He showed, and have a look, Hitler’s fight was not with the Jews as persons, but with the 'Jewish nature of Man' as a 'Jewish Principle', that is not here, Best for Man, but it here 'best for greed', at a personal level.

So, we have to take out the 'Jewish Principle of Profit' from the Human Nature."

from The Jew in Every Man By Bernard Poolman 23 May 2010 -- [desteni.co.za]

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: ThomDarc ()
Date: May 29, 2010 09:05AM

Here is an excellent source for reading the latest comments left primarily by Desteni disciples on youtube on one consolidated page:

[destenitube.klevo.sk]

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: May 30, 2010 09:08PM

After having stopped contributing to this thread some time ago (and seemingly advised all his Destenites to do the same) Bernard Poolman has finally decided to answer his critics by publishing a recording of himself grunting which he calls "The Mind of a Desteni Hater" at [www.youtube.com].

Meanwhile more criticism of Desteni proceeds apace with Desteni Truth at [www.youtube.com], ThomDarc's YouTube channel at [www.youtube.com] and videos by OneTrueSense such as at [www.youtube.com]

Poolman says: "You'll notice an interesting thing that, people that 'attack' Desteni will 'attack' Desteni from a perspective of 'Personality'. They 'attack' the Desteni-'Point' by being 'personal' in their 'attack'." [www.youtube.com]

He goes on to say that because criticism of Desteni is only ever on a personal level and not in relation to principles then it has no validity. He is laying down the rule for Destenites: do not engage with detractors.

There are bound to be personal insults thrown out by YouTube viewers but most of the real criticism of Desteni is in this thread and on the YouTube channels listed above. It is about the ideas behind Desteni and how they are used to exploit the unwary. It has to do with how the Desteni group represents itself in principle. It exposes the so-called principles of "self-honesty", "self-responsibility", "common sense" and shows them up for what they really are: a means of manipulating people on a personal level so that they can no longer think or feel for themselves.

While the Equal Money System could be said to be some kind of moral principle it is used as a way of appealing to people's social conscience so that they get drawn into other less principled, more outlandish and deceptive cult-like ideas and behavior; all of which are designed to gain control over them on a personal level.

According to Destenites, Desteni is not a "cult" because we already live in a "cult-ure" that conditions and programs us by promoting worthless values and false "beLIEf" systems. When I say "cult" I mean how it is normally understood and been defined at this site by qualified experts who have spent decades researching the phenomenon, and have first hand experience of it. Desteni try to re-define the concept as some over-arching generalized metaphor that can be applied to all political or social groups. They make the claim that Desteni provides a way of freeing oneself from the bad influences of a corrupt society that itself operates in a cult-like manner. Yet this is virtually the same claim made by nearly every other cult on the planet.

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: Noble9 ()
Date: May 31, 2010 12:33AM

These guys are just plain wacky. It's obvious that they are mostly children with privileged backgrounds who do not have any concept of the real world. Through this cult they are able to extend their childhood lack of real responsibility by avoiding work and having others make their big life decisions for them.

The creepiest thing to me is the utter lack of humor a lot of them display in their videos. Matti Freeman, Gabe Zamora, Cenk, and others. At their age they shouldn't be so angry and bitter. Is it possible that some of them were victims of childhood abuse?

I've shown some of the desteni videos to a friend of mine who belonged to a christian cult for 10 years before being able to free herself. She didn't believe there was much hope for these kids. I hope that's not true. SOME of them will hopefully realize that they are wasting their time, money, and energy by feeding into the false dreams desteni offers.

Free money for all?? Come on, it's such a childish notion that shows a major lack of common sense and grounding in the real world. But their defense is always 'the only reason you would be against free money for all is because you are mired in your own self interest.' It's very clever, really. Nothing can be debated on its own merits, everything is turned around to make you feel guilty for arguing against it. For a kid it's probably hard to defend against.

Noble9

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: May 31, 2010 07:35AM

Here are links to an interesting radio program from 2007 when Desteni first began on the Internet:

Understanding Destini
[www.youtube.com]
Understanding Destini Part 2
[www.youtube.com]
Understanding Destini Part 3
[www.youtube.com]

In connection with that, there's

Kendras response to a video about her, made by a sick site
[www.youtube.com]

There's also an article that begins,

"We were possibly, no, definitely made aware if one of the most dangerous mediums we will ever come across. When we say medium we of course are referring to what she calls herself, in reality her suggestion that she is a Trance Medium has no basis in truth and is merely her way of justifying what she writes and pulling people into what can only be described as the most sickening and vile belief system we have ever come across. Again, when we say "belief system" we are describing it in terms she would have us believe it is in fact not a belief system but a system of control.

That might lead people to think of a cult, and in some ways it is."

(the "trance medium" in question being Sunette Spies of Desteni)

See: [esotericonline.tripod.com]

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Desteni, more brazen Big Lies by Bernard Poolman
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: May 31, 2010 12:19PM

This thread is going to continue to expose Desteni for the fraud it is, even more and more as time goes by.

Bernard Poolman's ridiculous statements above about Bernard Poolman's idiotic theory of the 'Jewish Principle of Profit' and Bernard Poolman's admiration for the mass murderer Hitler, need to be reported to those who monitor those things.

Poolman is trying to use DEFLECTION and the Straw-Man method to deal with the critics of Desteni.
Poolman says people are "hating" and attacking the personalities of Desteni.

That is a lie. A brazen Big Lie from Bernard Poolman.

People are pointing out the SPECIFIC cultic TACTICS being used by Bernard Poolman on young people, and the horrible and stupid "ideas" being peddled by Poolman and his cronies.
Also, pointing out the bad fake "channelling" that Desteni is try to con people with.

Desteni is a fraud, a con.
Desteni is a Big Lie.
Of course Bernard Poolman knows that, he learned it from his hero, Hitler.

Search for:

hitler big lie

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: May 31, 2010 10:03PM

One of the main tactics used by Bernard Poolman is to manufacture a sense of guilt and consequently mistrust as regards anything or anyone outside of the Desteni group process. He claims that there is so much crime, poverty, starvation etc because people won't recognise their own responsibility; they have "accepted and allowed" these things to happen. The upshot of this line of "common sense" reasoning is that the answer to poverty, starvation, exploitation and abuse is to take part in Desteni. Potential members can start by forgiving themselves for having "allowed" such horrible things as rape and child abuse to have happened. In Desteni, even a person's sexual fantasies are regarded as contributing to a situation where rape and child abuse continues in the world. So for instance Sunette Spies' videos on the subject, such as

SEX and Masturbation SUPPORT to STOP Child Molesters --HoM87
[www.youtube.com]

purport to describe how a person should overcome inclinations to masturbate and fantasize about sex and thereby help to bring an end to rape and child abuse. This seems like an outlandish and unrealistic notion but so are most of the Desteni concepts, and many of them focus on generating a sense of guilt. In this instance it is a method of making people associate their sexual responses with the Desteni process through feeling guilty about having sexual fantasies. The idea being that Desteni can impose a measure of influence over how a person regards themselves and others sexually and ultimately then exert total control over their mental, emotional and physical identity and activities.

RyanPaulFranklin finds himself in a situation where his ordinary thoughts and sexual feelings are being increasingly dictated to by the Desteni program. A dilemma has been created because of the trust he has placed in Desteni. The only solution he can find to his confusion is to go and work on the Desteni farm. He makes a direct plea to Bernard Poolman: "what is going on with me?"

See: video speaking to Bernard
[www.youtube.com]

But what is going on with RyanPaulFranklin in that video is that he has been tricked by Desteni into imagining that he has problems that can only be solved by Desteni.

The identity and experience of members of Desteni in relation to their friends and family also become issues that are made to seem as though they can only be dealt with by further immersion in Bernard Poolman's bizarre world-view. For example, LLCraver's YouTube channel presents videos where she refers to problems with her family's reaction to her involvement with Desteni. She describes how they tell her she is brainwashed but that she is happy to be brainwashed.

FAMI:LIE FRENEMIES AND REHATE:SHUN:SHIPS - SAILING INTO DELUSION!
[www.youtube.com]

In another of her videos,

Breakdown...
[www.youtube.com]

the Desteni-imposed guilt kicks in and LLCraver talks in a distressed state about how "it hurts to know how you have contributed to so much suffering in the world". She used to have lots of friends but now has none . . .

gabrielietsanders of Desteni dedicates a video to notions such as that "friendship is pure self-dishonesty", "friendship is irrelevant, the word 'friend' has no meaning, there is no love in friendship, only fear" . . .

See: The Sinking Friendship - The End of All Relations
[www.youtube.com]

And there are countless such videos, blogs etc produced by these and other Destenites where the same kinds of sentiments are expressed. Yet the question here is not to do with some kind of ad hominem "attack" on the personalities involved, as Poolman would like to imagine. It is to do with the specific strategies he and his chosen core group in Desteni employ to manipulate others' personalities.

Through the "Structural Resonance Alignment" course, through work on "the resonances", "agreements" in relationships and so on, Desteni members' relationships with each other and with others outside the program become a public matter that is monitored and steered by the Desteni organization.

Bernard Poolman takes great delight in putting Katie Conklin (who runs "Desteni Education" with Cameron Cope, website of which is registered in the name of Poolman's wife, Esteni De Wet) on the spot with various questions about her personality and sexuality, while her facial reactions are scrutinized in these videos:

Bald Girl Faces Hard Questions: Sex, Drugs, Masturbation
[www.youtube.com]

Shaved Bald Girl Faces Hard Questions
[www.youtube.com]

The person operating the camera deliberately avoids showing Poolman's face, which suggests he had told them to do so. That isn't very "self-honest" of him. Neither is it "equal and one" with the average Destenite. Going back to an earlier part of this thread, Daryll Thomas of Desteni claimed that the reason Poolman tries as much as possible to avoid showing his face is because it might start a cult of personality. Yet Poolman has already started a cult based on his control over others' personalities.

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Re: Desteni
Posted by: Noble9 ()
Date: June 01, 2010 01:22AM

"The person operating the camera deliberately avoids showing Poolman's face, which suggests he had told them to do so. That isn't very "self-honest" of him."

Yes, it's very strange that in all of the Desteni videos I've watched (too many), I've never seen Bernard's face. There are not many photos of him available, though we do have a few. By hiding his face, their leader doesn't do much to dispel the idea that Desteni is anything more than a cult. A cult whose leader has something to hide.

Here is a picture of the Desteni cult members before they shaved their heads, Bernard is the older man second from the right in the back row:
Desteni

Poolman is apparently from Namibia and claims to have attended North-West University in Durban, the Potchefstroom campus. We are not sure what his course of study was, but it was originally a Christian school and theology is still one of the focuses offered. His messages do tend to incorporate more Christian themes than the younger members' videos do.

Noble9

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Re: Desteni and the Big Lie of Bernard "Big Lie" Poolman
Posted by: The Anticult ()
Date: June 01, 2010 03:15AM

The more one looks at Desteni, the more its very obvious that Desteni is the Big Lie, in practice.
Its the Big Lie, that Hitler, Bernard Poolman's hero, talked about.

The main people of Desteni of course know its a Big Lie, they made it up.
And they are trying to propagandize and dupe the public, to gain some new members.

Desteni is a fraud, a Big Lie, a scam, designed mainly by Bernard "Big Lie" Poolman, with a little help from his partners.

------------------quote------------------
[www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]

Hitler On The Big Lie

"All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, where as in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. Schopenhauer called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies". Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.

Source: Mein Kampf, p. 134
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Desteni, Winged, Eagle, Sunette, Durban, Christian
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: June 01, 2010 03:36AM

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Noble9
Yes, it's very strange that in all of the Desteni videos I've watched (too many), I've never seen Bernard's face. There are not many photos of him available, though we do have a few. By hiding his face, their leader doesn't do much to dispel the idea that Desteni is anything more than a cult. A cult whose leader has something to hide.

One reason Bernard Poolman hides his face is probably because he does not want it made too obvious that he is the leader. After all, Desteni has to appear to be an organization in which all members are "equal and one". If the videos of his talks showed him in action they might in some way reveal him in a position of authority. Perhaps because his audience would be seen to be hanging on his every word. He may also be concerned that his personal appearance as a middle-aged man might be off-putting for potential young Desteni recruits. Much better then to have a young woman such as Sunette Spies take on the task of appearing as the face of Desteni.

Or maybe it's none of that and the reason he does not show his face is in order to create a sense of mystique about himself?

When Desteni began in 2007, there was very little reference, if any, to Poolman. It almost seemed as if Desteni was run by Sunette Spies. She and Poolman were first referred to mysteriously as "Winged" and "Eagle". However, everything suggests that all the philosophy and administration policies of the Desteni organization originate with Bernard Poolman and him alone.

Whatever the real reasons for it, the fact that Poolman is practically the only Desteni member who provides almost no visual representation of himself while he churns out numerous writings and recordings of himself talking suggests that he has special privileges as leader.

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Noble9
Poolman is apparently from Namibia and claims to have attended North-West University in Durban, the Potchefstroom campus. We are not sure what his course of study was, but it was originally a Christian school and theology is still one of the focuses offered. His messages do tend to incorporate more Christian themes than the younger members' videos do.

Yes, although the younger members' communications don't add anything much more to what Poolman already says. They just parrot the Desteni dogma and slavishly copy the required modes of behavior. A few put their own personal spin on it, but it never really strays from Poolman's essential world-view. Sunette Spies, I would suggest, has been very thoroughly trained by him.

Poolman was apparently raised a born again Christian, studied law at university, worked as a policeman and sometimes used "psychic powers" to try to solve crimes. He claims his father-in-law was a trance medium. Needless to say, he is now a complete fraud and a con-man.

See: [desteni.co.za]
[desteni.co.za]

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