From the desteni forum:
1st reply in this topic.
>>thats why hes attacking desteni cause he doesnt want to leave his angels and gods and face himself
>>hes a slave to his angels and god creation
Or maybe he see's something we are not. I have only desteni's word that there are no angels, gods and demons.
I cannot prove nor disprove that they exist.
I see desteni's point of view and I see this brits point of view.
I also have serious problems with how things are run on these forums. Let me explain.
What worried me when I first signed up on this forum is how desteni blew everything else except themselves out of the water.
They eliminated demons, chakra's, people who have out of body experiences, they say it all only exists in our minds now. By doing so making themselves sovereign as the only truth, any others are false and having the only means to know the truth, the portal. This is a problem for me.
But when I did research in the world to validate some of what desteni claimed, I found the results to be inconsistent.
Let me give you an example which raised red flags for me.
A short while after reading that desteni removed the demons, I decided to look for the physical result of their dimensional cleaning as doing something on that grand scale as eliminating all the demons must have a physical impact.
So I went onto statistic websites to look for a drop in the amount of murders, death and rape around the world, all of which have been somewhat attributed to demon possession or manipulation...
But the figures where the opposite of what I was expecting to find. All of these have increased.
How can this be I thought. Why is violent crime on the increase when the potential instigators where all converted to supporting humans.
Then I began looking at some of the portal interviews.
Many where on abstract subjects which I could not verify in the physical world.
So I began looking for the interviews where claims where made about the physical, those that I could research to check for consistency. After identifying several my research began and my results frustrated me as they where 180 degrees in the opposite direction of what the message was saying.
At that time I was conflicted because some of their message I found to be true and in great need, but at the same time I found some of the portal interviews, those that can be challenged, when tested not adding up with my research results...
This is when I felt I needed to be careful on what I do here, what I say, what I write and about exposing too much information about myself.
I cannot be completely open about myself on all subjects with others if I do not trust the place I’m in.
At that time I also decided that I need to let others know subtly that something is wrong, I didn’t have hard core evidence, nothing I can put into words at that time, but something was not 100% right.
And still right now, I feel something is not kosher.
So I put up my signature at the bottom of all my posts with the plan that any who read it will remain objective to the information, and hopefully challenge it instead of just accepting everything that is presented here. That makes sense right? If what is being presented is truthful, then it must stand being scrutinized and tested.
To non-critical readers, many texts offer the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
To the critical reader, any single text provides but one portrayal of the facts, one individual's "take" on the subject.
And really, back in 2008/09 some new folks where just blindly gobbling up this stuff up which was beginning to bother me.
I've seen people gobble up ideas and begin relaying them as if it is their own. I didnt want to see this here, people doing this here.
Because then it’s just another religion and that’s not what I see it as.
The moment you just accept what is being said, welcome to religion. It’s your responsibility to challenge anything and everything that is presented here, no matter who says it, no matter what the consequences are. So they ban you for voicing your perspective and you've invested 1000 posts into these forums, you are still responsible for yourself, your participation here and responsible for misleading others if you spread something you have not challenged or tested.
I have accepted information before without challenging it and I experienced the consequences quite a few times before I learnt.
The moment I allow myself to just accept anything I hear I have fallen into a potential trap.
Potential trap because not everything is a trap, but without challenging it, you dont know!
Its like walking on a mine field and hearing a click and ignoring it. When I hear the clicks, I now check it out.
When I started challenging things on the forum I felt very restricted. At the time people on this forum where very abusive towards one another.
I accepted it as part of forum folks process they where working through and continued. Challenging the content was often met with hostility and the behavior I felt was similar to what Christians did those rare times I let rip on their religion. I felt that people where protecting something as if it needed protecting.
What the British chap writes about the ego is true.
The ego will protect its beliefs, but not everyone here has completely removed their mask and will be prone to violent reactions when the one thing they are using to break through the mask is being attacked. This is understandable and must be taken into consideration.
But its not an excuse for us to loose control of ourselves and these moments can be used to help show us where we need work.
There are inconsistencies in the desteni message, and I am not the only one to see them. I know it. I've read many posts and I know you know sometimes something is wrong.
But if we all play the hiding game because we are afraid of the repercussions of our actions then what is use of doing all this when by not challenging the information, by remaining quiet, we are making the situation worse.
And there is no real harm in challenging, because if the challenged topic is true it will be infallible. It will not have a weakness; it will be in the best interests of all if we challenge information.
Many here already do it, and to me it’s valuable because it takes many different views to see an idea or piece of information from all angles. Then to see if that idea of information takes into consideration everything or if it is separating things.
Another matter I have a problem with is the admins. Namely one.
This chap has a seriously big ego problem yet he continues being allowed to be an administrator. All the other admins behave in a way that reflects who they are.
This chap reflects an ego that for some reason is still not under control. He sits indirect contradiction of what we are accomplishing here.
That is removing our ego's to show who we are. Lead by example you know?
Why is this being accepted and allowed? By leaving him in that position you are doing more damage to him and forum members.
To get a chap like that to really face himself, he's image needs to be taken away, but its being supported by allowing he's continued participation as an administrator, a role that carries with it power.
When and if the desteni project does move into a civilisation role I will not support or stand for individuals with clearly active ego's being put into positions of power. That is currently being done today with our governments and we all can see the repercussions.
This must end.
Finally to wrap this up.
Take the brits videos. He took the time to post these. He has definite concerns right?
Look at it, see what is being said and when he mentions something that you also have thought of as odd, bring it up, challenge it, so that we can get to the bottom of it and see where it leads.
~ note, my second reply/response in this desteni topic will be posted shortly.