Welcome 4Generation. As kBOY said, your English is light years ahead of our Portuguese. I understand you perfectly. I agree with your statement about the leaders never apologizing or repenting for wrongs they did. In fact, they usually turned the problems around so that someone under them would be blamed for harm that they themselves caused. The system is abusive and controlling, to say the le
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Lenai, you're probably referring to Maryann Nagy and another young woman named Martha who were both deaf. That is a precious memory of them teaching you to sign. Your mom is Mel Bailey's daughter if I remember correctly. Welcome to the RR Forum.
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Hi Lenai, I sent you a pm. This info helps even more. I do remember you all. Welcome!
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Quote Posted by: changedagain Date: October 18, 2019 08:58AM Onion Wrote: > Most of the time (IMHO), attention was given to > Rick's four marriages preceded by divorce so that > there could be adequate cover for his sexual > assaults of women and young girls. G&M would call > for help with the congregation in turmoil but > would hide the extremes his conduct
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Link to Ohman's post:
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Darolynn1, The Blix house was in North Hollywood, adjacent to John Robert Stevens' house. Did you go to the school in North Hills or in Anaheim?
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Quote Posted by: Imapurple Date: October 10, 2019 10:15AM i remember being over at G & M’ s once and they were talking casual about how in the future, unless you you had at least three or four million in the bank you’d be in real trouble. Your life would be really horrible and you wouldn’t be able to make it. I remember leaving the house that night feeling so defeated and down knowing I w
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Quote Posted by: Imapurple Date: October 06, 2019 07:25PM It was an interesting time. Rick couldn’t be in the room taking care of JRS because it was “ too hard for him” 100% complete BS. In fact he spent the whole time up at the studio having his affair with Shannon. That’s how much he really cared. Yet the fact JRS died left him with a whole bunch of lies he could tell young girls about
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Quote Posted by: CARe Date: October 04, 2019 02:58AM "FYI. The 3 buildings at Shiloh will be torn down unless another entity comes up with an offer to purchase in the next 2 weeks. It will be made available to the Amish to salvage any materials they can reuse or repurpose but ultimately will be removed. This was announced to the remaining congregation last Saturday night. I made sure to
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So many gave so much to build and maintain this > monument to control. Chief among those who > patiently served and gave were the local Iowans. I > hope that those from Washington, Kalona and > surrounding areas are not left out of decisions > being made about their home. On second thought, c
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So many gave so much to build and maintain this monument to control. Chief among those who patiently served and gave were the local Iowans. I hope that those from Washington, Kalona and surrounding areas are not left out of decisions being made about their home.
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Quote Posted by: changedagain Date: October 02, 2019 08:10PM Sometimes I tell the cashier that I have received confirmation that it is O.K. for me to buy a particular item, and they just give me a blank stare. I hate that. So you're saying that this confirmation came from the top? Interesting...I'm surprised that you weren't told to donate the money instead of actually buyin
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QuotePosted by: Onion Date: October 02, 2019 12:19PM I don't think Gary's ego has gotten reduced to the point that he would consider a Bible study in his home. Good point. Does Gary even believe in the Bible? Or only in Christ in his own flesh?
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And JRS used to say that he didn't want a bunch of "yes men". ROFL And anyone who didn't believe him is a dirty, rotten nephilim! /s
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Quote Posted by: Reepicheep () Date: September 27, 2019 07:48AM Onion wrote: I have also posted my personal knowledge that JRS NEVER commissioned Gary and Marilyn to take the Apostolic mantle. Lilith wrote: I wonder what would have happened if just one person would have stood up in a service during their power grab and said that what they were doing wasn't what John wanted. Not to
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Quote Posted by: changedagain Date: September 29, 2019 08:31AM In my case, years ago I decided that simply writing truthfully about my experiences in that mess while reading other ex-member's accounts, was worthwhile in itself. It helped lift me out of the doldrums and provided purpose. Yet, we're all wired differently, and what is helpful for one may not work for another. Of cou
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There are so many things that would have influenced me greatly to leave TLWF long before I did. I might have left had I known, for instance, about JRS' many affairs and cover-ups, or about G&M's relationship long before the wedding was announced abruptly less than a year after JRS' death. If I had known about Rick and others abusing children and G&M moving heaven and earth
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Onion wrote: I have also posted my personal knowledge that JRS NEVER commissioned Gary and Marilyn to take the Apostolic mantle. Lilith wrote: I wonder what would have happened if just one person would have stood up in a service during their power grab and said that what they were doing wasn't what John wanted. Not to say what John did was really any better but would it have rocked the
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Quote Posted by: kBOY Date: September 24, 2019 01:18PM C H A N G E D Not one of the 1000 prophets ever saw the Center of the Universe turning into a white elephant. Kingdom in '79, anyone? kBOY, I guess Shiloh was the center of the Universe to a few people pushing their delusional nightmare. Definitely a white elephant now.
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Quote Posted by: Onion Date: September 25, 2019 09:37PM Keep in mind; it was always Marilyn's intent and Gary's promise to her that they would find a way to let Marilyn's children inherit the church. Close your eyes and imagine that. Well, that helps to explain a hell of a lot of suffering. Disgusting!
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This whole deal is still a little bit fuzzy. Was Kalona School District thinking of renting space in the Shiloh main building AND they would have to remodel at their own expense? I don't blame them for passing on that.
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Quote Posted by: changedagain Date: September 18, 2019 10:05AM John Robert Stevens: I was transported seven years into the future and witnessed the Kingdom of God. I will tell you all about it. Congregation: Amen!!! ChangedAgain: I have come from the year 2019 with an urgent message. Get out of this cult. Don't waste your life here. Congregation: Kill the Nephilim! Kill the Nephilim!!
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Quote Posted by: 40yearsin2016 Date: September 25, 2018 03:07PM Ok I'll play... but instead of filling in a questionnaire, Here's what I require for my healing. Amy should, being charged the responsibility since "Gary doesn't want to get involved": 1 - Read this forum - all 689 pages 2 - Read Woodrow Nichols book - all of it. Based on that research genera
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Quote Posted by: Richard M. Date: September 15, 2019 08:21PM Checked in after a few months . .. sad to say that I see everyone is still conflicted to some degree . . sad and sorry at the same time . . . .take care . . Hi Richard M., Thank you so much for your posts on this forum. All the best to you.
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In Touch With Southeast Iowa -- Kalona/Shiloh Annexation Part 1 Aug. 15, 2019 This property has previously been tax exempt, but would bring in tax revenue for the city of Kalona after annexation. There was more mention of development, houses and the like. My question is still "Who is the developer and who will profit from building on this land and selling parcels/houses?"
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QuoteKalona News Letter to the Editor May 2, 2019 Letter: Shiloh should be given to charity Editor: I am very concerned about the supposed annexation of Shiloh. I grew up in this congregation before it was ruined by John Robert Stevens and Greg Haworth. Please do not trust these directors unless they share with the many people, many of my family, who have over the years been be
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Quote Posted by: changedagain Date: September 13, 2019 11:25AM Atonement – Confession and Sanctification September 16, 2018 - by Gary Hargrave ". . . we are reaching for the reality of sanctification and to see the Lord reveal to us the root of our transgression." "We start the process of our complete sanctification by refusing to deceive ourselves and by being open to H
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Quote Posted by: changedagain Date: September 08, 2019 03:29PM Onion wrote: Scott and Jeane McDonald have moved to Lake Arrowhead area so I assume they sold their house by CLW. I wonder if they will eventually launch Church of the Living Word by the Lake? Great question, changed. I'm wondering if some of these guys believe any of the BS they have been requiring of everybody else a
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Sounds like key figures just want to move on all of a sudden. Convenient!
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From linked article: Cubicles of Charm and Crucibles of Condemnation. How spiritually abusive organizations charm fans and condemn dissenters. Quote In the spiritually abusive organization, excessive charm quickly becomes excessive condemnation the moment loyalty is betrayed. Any non-supporters are quickly moved to crucibles of condemnation where the heat is turned up until the opposition is
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