Changed and kBOY on reconciliation... Quote Changedagain: Yes--which is why the reconciliation before full accountability is a non-starter. It minimizes the magnitude of abuse by former church leaders, paving the way for this type of lawless behavior to continue in a different setting--perhaps involving the same people. The emphasis now should not be on victims being "forgiving,"
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From the same article: > > > Quote > But others aren’t so sure that pastors who engage > in sexual relations with congregants should ever > be given a second chance. > > “When a pastor has committed clergy sexual > misconduct, that pastor and the congregation > should remove
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Quote Posted by: kBOY () Date: September 06, 2019 07:52AM R E E P The saddest part of all these incidents is they are usually accompanied with scriptural justifications no matter how convoluted. We certainly witnessed many tragedies in TLW that were somehow supported by chapter and verse, only to stand in stark contrast to simple sermons of LOVE delivered to the pedestrian class. The
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From the same article: Quote But others aren’t so sure that pastors who engage in sexual relations with congregants should ever be given a second chance. “When a pastor has committed clergy sexual misconduct, that pastor and the congregation should remove a consideration of restoration to the pulpit, or any position of power, entirely,” said Wade Mullen, assistant professor and director of
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Another post from Safe Sheep: Church Abuse Awareness, this time about Billy Graham's grandson. Quote Tullian doesn’t believe there is a power differential or professional boundaries between pastor and congregant. Sex is consensual between pastor and congregant above the age 17. This just sends chills up my spine. I think many pastors deep down believe this even if they publicly say the op
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QuoteSafe Sheep: Church Abuse Awareness After reading all the Baptist pastor predator stories and the Catholic Priests abuse of children you might think the odd Charismatic churches don’t seem so crazy anymore........ but wait. Before you dive into the world of demons and angels, visions, tongues, health, wealth and prosperity, slain in the spirit, laughing uncontrollably, dancing in the ai
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Quote Posted by: Onion () Date: September 02, 2019 05:04PM But didn't JRS always say things like OF COURSE people who blow out have easier lives, they're free from battle? Which I think we all now know is slightly inaccurate.... That sounds like some perverted thing he would say, Onion. I always heard stories about traitors who left being killed in fiery car crashes because of
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kBOY, I was brought in by one of my parents as a kid in the sixties. I actually saw many problems at first, but after months of not having a choice, I eventually adapted, unfortunately. As I was reading the above article about Manifest Sons, I saw many things that Gary Hargrave continued to teach and took further. For instance, that in the Rapture, the wicked are taken (somewhere) and God'
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Changed, your cold is either battle because satan is afraid of you or battle because satan is not afraid of you since you are out from under your covering. Not sure which, but it is always one or the other (or both). Sorry if the above was a trigger...it was for me. Monster headache. Carry on.
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For former TLWF laborers taking a rest today, here's an article from the Aplogetics Index - Religious Cults, Sects and Doctrines Quote MANIFEST SONS OF GOD Part of Neo-Pentecostalism. The teaching that in the last days, a "new breed" of Christians will arise - the "Manifest Sons of God" - who will have super-natural spiritual power and be instrumental in subd
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Posted by: Road to Damascus Date: August 31, 2019 10:26AM I have been approached by some that claim that only the ones that are left are truly hurting because they are still on the front lines, and that any who have left are deceived. This is sad to hear, but not totally surprising. The front lines, God's chosen remnant...it never ends. I hope one day to be able to put my feet down
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Quote Posted by: I_woke_up Date: August 31, 2019 06:33AM Go ahead and share. I agree with your last paragraph. Not sure why C&P are still around and have their hand on everything if they “stepped down” unless they are still getting paid and/or want more money?! Does Haworth Family Ministries own any part of Shiloh or Marilyn Farms? I hope that "Haworth Family Ministries" is a
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Re: the "In Christ's Blood" sign-off used in GH's apology letter... Even when TLWF leaders attempt to mimick mainstream Christian leaders, they sound awkward and out of their element at best. It reminds me of a certain president quoting "Two Corinthians". GH should stick with what is familiar to him, like lording it over what is left of his disappearing flock.
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Quote Reepicheep, The email was not signed so I’m left feeling like who wants to reconcile?! I’m not even sure who all still participates in this organization. It also was sent in clusters to 15 people at a time, instead of bcc’s. I personally don’t respect any organization that quotes scripture AT people and doesn’t follow it themselves (leadership). To quote Brene Brown, “Leaders must
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Not wanting to say too much and waiting for Onion's response...I just have one question. Who is the "we" they kept referring to? Was the letter signed by any individual? I would suggest to anyone receiving a similar letter that they think hard before becoming involved in some kind of amorphous reconciliation effort. You can do that with individual friends at your own pace. Rest ass
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I guess I was unaware that wine or other alcoholic beverages were part of either the McDougall diet or the raw food diet. Probably another case of different rules for different groups of people. You can't make this stuff up.
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Did anyone ever throw a wild gourd on the crock pot? Or was that Wild Turkey?
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And cross-current.
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I believe that the order is potato, doghouse, nephilim. Not positive, though since they liked to keep people off-balalnce. They probably switched it around a lot. ; )
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Changedagain, I remember having a conversation about something along these lines in the late nineties. (I'll let you figure out the leader's identity.) His question to a few people at a small meeting was, "Who is a ministry in this local church?" My thinking was that anyone who had been around for several years and was involved was a ministry. Isn't that in the Bible?
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HELL - High Executive Level Leadership. LOL ; )
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More on JRS' "vision into the future" by larry bobo. Quote Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: larry bobo () Date: November 26, 2016 08:26PM It seems John’s vision into the future was conveyed differently in various local churches of TLWF. It was much like Christmas – in some locations you were going to burn in hell if you had a Christma
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Quote Powerful Article on Forms of Bondage in Deceitful Groups Posted by: corboy () Date: August 24, 2019 08:37AM What’s Behind the Blowback You’ll Get When You Engage Cult Members Corboy, Great to see you! I skimmed the article and will read carefully later. Awesome!
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Here's my favorite type of post from kBoy...his great analyses of current "words" AKA sermons. Coincidentally, it's a sermon by GH talking about JRS' "trip to the future". Enjoy... Quote Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: kBOY () Date: November 13, 2016 07:33PM HEADBANGER NEWS: Stealing Candy From a Baby "Rek
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Unfulfilled prophecies, arranged marriages, arranged divorces, abortions ordered, people called prophets, people called nephilim...where did it end? This was all at JRS' command. And so much more. So very many were hurt, and the only ultimate beneficiaries were G&M and Rick.
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I think that this bears repeating. From Saw Enough, about a month before Shalom's post. Quote Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: Saw enough () Date: September 27, 2018 11:21PM In December 1972 Brother Stevens disappeared for an entire day and a few days later he went to the Valley Church and claimed that he'd been caught up in the spirit and
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After looking through hundreds of posting histories, I believe that it is possible that there is some type of a glitch in the system, which in rare cases could cause odd posts by other users to appear in someone's history. Out of hundreds, I saw three instances where this may have occurred. With that bit of doubt, I sincerely apologize to Aardvark for assuming that he posted six years ago as
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Quote Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: Ohman? () Date: August 21, 2019 06:23PM Sorry to change the subject, but since we're all here, does anyone know what it cost to send a kid to Centers of Learning ,Sepulveda in the 80's/90's? Ohman, I don't remember. But I looked up the current costs, and to send a child to Jr. High or High S
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An interesting post from slandjt back in 2015 which probably will strike a chord with many. Quote Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: slandjt () Date: September 17, 2015 10:45PM I've been reading these posts for a couple of years and thought I would weigh in now. I came into the Walk as an impressionable young teenager in the late 60s. My parents
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Aardvark, I suggest that you try to clear up this problem with the moderator. It seems odd that none of my friends have weird former user names showing up in their old posts. Just bad luck?
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