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17 years ago
LoriS
Residents of Phoenix, be aware. This is a Lifespring spinoff out of Salt Lake City that is trying to expand in Phoenix. Typical LGAT garbage. Warn your friends and family!
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
LoriS
I would say it would have to be judged on an individual basis. The guy that sucked my family into an LGAT, I'm convinced, is a sociopath...but was he always? I think he always had the potential, but who knows if he would ever have been quite as skilled as he is now. There are some people I've known "before" who seemed like really nice decent people, but "after&qu
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
LoriS
Scary lookin dude, ey? Didn't know Covey was a mormon. Interesting how he details all the other "influences" then skips Landmark. He's not the first LGAT grad I've seen spouting Ayn Rand. She had her very own cult too. Love the phrase "my first best seller...to be released 2004". HA. Narcissist? Maybe? Beware the "Wealth Warrior 3 day bo
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
The "intensives" sound very much like the format of a Lifespring based LGAT, complete with Costumes and dancing. An acquaintace of mine who went through the Harmony Institute had a group "stretch assigment" which was to dress up in a Halloween costume and go out into the the streets and give out candy...in March.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
18 years ago
LoriS
Oh Jaaack? Shucks. I really wanted you to answer those questions I asked of you. Hope you pop back in.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
Another thought, We have a friend of ours who is former military and is now an airline pilot. When my honey told him about Harmony and what they did to him, this guy told us about POW school in the Army. Did you ever do that? You get captured by a supposed enemy and held for several days while they try to extract some piece of information from you. My dad went through it in the Navy a
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
Oz, I'm so very sorry. I have no doubt about how hard you tried. You helped her a great deal, you should feel good about that at least. I share your feelings about Landmark and all it's ilk. I wish there were more we could do. Lori
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
My first response was "what are you thinking?" :D But it all depends on how involved she is. If it's already come up in conversation, my guess is lots. Coming from my experience, there are things that happen to people in an LGAT that make them believe that anyone who hasn't gone to one is somehow lesser than they. This isn't some mild thing either, it's pre
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
I think "crazy families" could also include what I've seen here as termed the "cultic relationship". I've realized that abusive relationships fit the pattern of undue influence perfectly. Many survivors tell of how the abuse started slowly, with little things that in themselves didn't seem like much, then built and built until they had become virtual pris
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
Jack, Please clarify this: "This friend didn't like est. I paid for him to do it and he dropped out after the first weekend--twice". "For the record only one of my friends ever did the est Training based on my recommendation. It didn't become a big focus in her life but she still says good things about it". That's at least two, right?
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
Jack, I know of one person who did est, then Harmony, and one who did Harmony and is now heavily involved in Landmark. He states the reason he is doing Landmark is because of the number of courses, because you can take them for years. Which begs the question: when do you get to go out and live your real life? He has posted a good bit here: (Just a warning for those who might
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
This page was a great help to me, was the only place I found any info on Harmony. Links to stuff all over, including here.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
After my boyfriends Harmony experience, he seemed convinced he had changed. Used a lot of the same language you did. He wasn't open before, he wasn't honest before, he had a long list of things he "wasn't", aspects of his personality that were hidden, and NOW he was awake and alive for the first time. He said that I had never really known the "real him" that
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
I went to a Mary Kay home party a couple months ago. Still $150 to get started as a rep! I bought several items and love every one of them. The reps sister is a friend of mine, which is how we met. When I was in the midst of my LGAT hell, I went to her house to rant when the sister/rep was over. She said "You know, some people say I'm in cult because I work for Mary Kay"
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
18 years ago
LoriS
Hope, I went to the website for prosperity abounds and had to laugh. Years ago I dated a guy who took that super blue green algae stuff. Did you know if you take it for very long it makes you smell funny? He was also one who was so freaked out about the Y2K thing, that he bought a generator and a garage full of food and water. His friends called his place "the bunker". He als
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
18 years ago
LoriS
Have you gone to the Awareness Page website and read the guest book comments from the Harmony people regarding Hans Berger? This was the LGAT we got burned by. You have to start from the beginning of the guestbook and read it all the way through. Bizzare stuff. The guy who introduced us to it, as well as about 200 other people, I'm convinced is a sociopath. I've seen him cry on
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
18 years ago
LoriS
Doesn't that fit the definition of a sociopath pretty neatly? The most frightening thing is the way people get sucked in and used and feel grateful for it. Then their family is left wondering what the hell happened to them. It's heartbreaking.
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
18 years ago
LoriS
You know, I do not consider myself a violent person, or perhaps it's better to say I once did not. Maybe the intrusion of the LGAT in my life has changed things. But this stuff gets me worked up. My first thought reading your post was how quickly I would rip out the throat of someone who would dare say that to me. The damage they must do to people is so difficult to fathom. I'
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
18 years ago
LoriS
This sounds like Napoleon Hill's "Think and grow rich", which I've read was inspiration for Erhard back in the day. I picked up a book recently, titled "Excuse me, you life is waiting" subtitled "the astonishing power of feelings". Same stuff, but seemingly written for women. I got really annoyed toward the end when the author started in on the threa
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes
18 years ago
LoriS
Have you read any of Guy's posts? Perhaps you should do a search. Be sure and tell us what you think of them.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
But just barely so. Had my Significant Other not come to his senses and realized he'd been had, no way would we have made it. I've been the unfortunate witness of several relationships ending as a result of one or both parties attending the Harmony Institute in Salt Lake, a Lifespring spinoff. Some of those people are more "sucked into the void" than others, and t
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
I don't think you are really at a loss as to what to do. Look at the warning signs. First of all, the Legacy Center was formerly Lifespring of North Carolina. Read the information on this site and on the awareness page regarding Lifespring. Your experience of your friend is " surreal and disconcerting". "I felt like I would fail in her eyes or become somehow a les
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
The timing couldn't be worse. I have a bit of a different take on these things, as my boyfriend went to one and came home much like your friend. I stayed and fought it out, and it worked. Three months later he "woke up" to what happened to him and is back to normal (although pretty ticked off about the whole thing). I had a couple things going for me though, we lived i
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
This spoke volumes to me: "As best I can say, the atmosphere of true Zen practice is incompatible with manipulation--it supports your insight and helps you wake up--it wont put you under. Every time I try to do sitting meditation I am always a little reluctant. I take that as a good sign, because thats how I knew it is challenging me. If I loved sitting meditation and found it eas
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
Corboy, I tried to send you a "private message" but your box was full. I have noticed you mention Zen a few times on the boards here, and was wondering if we could have a conversation about Zen practice. I've had a very hard time with my practice since my boyfriends LGAT exerience, and even harder still since all the reading I've done on spiritual abuse and the dangers
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
My boyfriend and I spoke with someone earlier this week who went through Pathways (Dr. Phil's LGAT). In comparing their experiences, they are remarkably similar. I've given him the link to this site and invited him to post here. Lori
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
Wow. Such integrity. How authentic.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
Can't verify if he did, but he founded a non-profit in TX that looks rather much like a typical LGAT
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
I've seen that site before. There is plenty of info out there praising landmark. I think the key might be for a person to read both sides (as I have- you wouldn't believe how much information I've read and considered in the past several months) and come to a conclusion on their own. In reading the first two letters from professionals in the mental health field, both of them
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
18 years ago
LoriS
Having just had a loved one sucked into an LGAT (not the forum, but gosh they are all so similar) and having both experienced and seen first hand the trauma caused in a persons life, I feel compelled to attempt to give you some things to consider. You say you see no evidence that mind control or hynosis is practiced. Are you open to the posibility that you don't really understand what h
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