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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteLoelaIt is such a relief to have found this website! I just found it today. Briefly, I've completed all the Landmark courses. One of the main reasons I decided it was no longer for me is because of the tremendous pressure LF puts on it's participants to invite folks to events. They say if you can get people to attend you're "getting it." Friends and coworkers b
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quotelightwolf As I have thought about this though, I am impressed with the need to be FOR something rather than just AGAINST something. The question you may need to ask yourself is, what are you FOR? Here's a short list which explains why I would like to stop LGATs: What I am FOR: - True authenticity - Rational thinking - Non-paradoxical communication (honesty) - Two way commu
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15 years ago
midonov123
Ms. Lorraine Derocher essay on "cultism" (read new form of racism from anti-cult movement) is somewhat questionable. Actually, one might conclude that she is a cult apologist, falling naively for cult's rhetoric. Here is my executive summary: In brief, she claims that "cultism" is filled with prejudice where rational thinking is absent. She criticize the fact that
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15 years ago
midonov123
My critical position toward manipulative groups like Landmark and other LGATS is not new. However, I have realized that this attitude of mine (which I believe is perfectly healthy, sound and well founded) is seen by some social researchers as a new form of racism (or sectism). The Safe Passage Foundation (SPF) is a non profit organisation that offers support to children raised in what they ca
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteTim BatdorfI was the Board Chairman for the Mankind Project in the Windsor-Detroit Centre for two years from January 1994 to January 1996. I would be happy to answer any questions anyone may have about the Mankind Project. MKP sponsors weekend retreats. MKP's intention is to empower men in their own lives. We ask men to create their own personal mission statements based on their
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15 years ago
midonov123
With the head of the medical clinic now a Landmark graduate and advanced participant, what could be the signs that something is going on to "transform" the workplace? It is my understanding that Landmark hard sales pitch has moved to a softer more subtle but still deceptive enrollment process to "touch , move and inspire" others. Is it possible that new guidelines, policies
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15 years ago
midonov123
It came to my attention recently that the head administrator of a large medical clinic in my hometown is an advanced graduate from Landmark. He was able to enroll some doctors and staff from his clinic, but I think the majority of doctors see all of this as somewhat cultish (thanks to educational sites like RR). I'm not sure about the risks involved with Landmark infiltrating the medic
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuotenutrinoYou have to love the sneaky distortions that creep in, almost unnoticed.... "Pop culture icon and the founder of the controversial est seminar pulls back the curtain on his life, his ideas and the 'witch hunt' that forced him underground." Witch hunt ? Witch hunt ? Forced him underground ? Notice, dear readers, how "apalling disclosures about Wern
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15 years ago
midonov123
For those of you who are interested, the Harvard Business Report on Landmark in pdf format (about 360kB) can be found on emule.
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15 years ago
midonov123
This is a little something I had post last year about the concept of authenticity among other things. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the Harvard report (A Harvard Business School Case Study: Landmark Education Corporation: Selling a Paradigm Shift), it is claimed that: “Philosophers whom Erhard and Landmark acknowledge as having cont
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteAcid Reindeermidonov123, none of my posts to this thread have compared the relative merits of LGAT's versus taking psychiatric drugs. you seem prone, though, to inconsistency. on the one hand, you lament scientific ignorance, on the other, you don't seem troubled by the fact that, while clnical trials have demonstrated dangers connected with antidepressants, that they remain on
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteHope This has led me to wonder just how many people suffer psychotic breaks, worse depression or anxiety, and even commit suicide as a result of their participation with LE. They themselves might not put the two together, let alone people who don't understand what LE actually does to people. Just as a reminder about another suicide case:
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteAcid ReindeerQuotemidonov123There is absolutely NO comparison to be made! Presciption drugs are given to patients when the benefits outweights the risks and there is a follow up by psychiatrists to make sure the results are positive. If the response is not as expected, the doctor will adjust the dosage or prescribe a different drug. This is medicine. you may have this subjective opini
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteAcid ReindeerI really would like to discuss this in full, had we a general topics discussion area. for the record, HMO's did not come into the picture as far as what I described. in those days they did not exist. briefly, in the private mental institution where I had the misfortune to get incarcerated (the most prestigious in the country) "treatment plans" got made up in
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteAcid ReindeerQuoteHopeThe initial interest in what LE does has faded, though many are still wondering why this man committed suicide. It didn't make sense. Some wondered if he had stopped his meds. just to speak to the last statement. as reported in the Wall Street Journal: QuoteThe new analysis, which focused on 25 studies of nine drugs, found that children and teenagers wh
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteHopeA frequent poster on another forum for people who were verbally and psychologically abused committed suicide several days ago. I had corresponded with him off the board a few times after he plugged Landmark Forum. After a couple emails, he stopped corresponding, and I didn't really post on either that board or privately, but I did go back from time to time to read the posts.
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15 years ago
midonov123
I recently found this group over the internet: In my mind, anyone who claims to empower people with a pseudo-scientific rethoric based on Quantum mechanics reminds me of Landmark Education, Scientology, What the Bleep... and other New Age pseudo-science promoters. I doubt very much the "quantum evolver group" is an exception to the rule and I have a huntch it's all the sam
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteRU?ingNew Warrior Context Reality starts with what we know. In our reality what we know is physical matter. In the reality of our physical world, physical matter exists. Physics is the study of physical matter. Recently, physicists have discovered scientifically what some ancient philosophical systems and religions have claimed for millennia. Namely that all matter is the same stuff!
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15 years ago
midonov123
79. LEK
Quoteelena Sad, really sad. And stupid that people would believe this nonsense. I found this about the "Big Lie" theory. I think it aplies to Landmark's set of (weird) beliefs: Quote Big Lie Theory The oft-cited "Big Lie Theory" originated with Adolf Hitler's 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf. In that book Hitler wrote that people came to believe that Germany
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15 years ago
midonov123
80. LEK
QuoteClausDIahi lightwolf, yes, I would like to discuss LE methods, I am very much interested what is behind it and how suspected results can be achieved by other methods. But I am only a natural scientist not a philosopher. You are right I still need some time for full recovery. hi midonov, thank you for your compassion, I'm trying to forget and to let go. What makes me really sick
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15 years ago
midonov123
81. LEK
QuoteClausDIaNightmares: So far, I wrote a few lunatic posts in this forum. Since I am not from an English-speaking country, it is sometimes difficult to express exactly what I have experienced and what I feel about LEK. This week I visited my doctor who is also a specialist of internal medicine and told him about my nightmares and that there is hardly any night I sleep fully since November
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuotetywebbThey also like to beat you down with "oh you know, you know,you know everything" when you tell them that the whole mileau is designed to manipulate people, ... This is exactly word for word what my lekky ex-girlfriend would tell me. Isn't that amazing? They can't think by themselves aymore... or maybe they choose to!
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quoteleftcoast8So I tried asking that "friend" how much of her decision to end our friendship was based on Landmark. Don't get me wrong, I think she's off her rocker these days, and don't want to resurrect the friendship. I'm just trying to understand a little more of what happened. After asking her twice in a span of two-three weeks (I was really curious, what ca
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quotejoe6For those who haven't seen it, the litigation archive previously discussed is online with documents discovered in the case against Rick Ross. I especially found interesting the briefing that was written in the Self Magazine case which quotes pretty disturbing sections of the Forum Supervisors Manual: Thanks to RR (he really deserves a medal for this remarquable work!), now
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuotenutrinoThis discussion is absolutely critical to the development of children, the child's mind, BECAUSE the core ideas about what constitutes wisdom, knowing the world, how one discovers a sense of self within the world, are part and parcel of early childhood development... if young kids start to internalize the crackpot idea that everything comes from Source, they will, as a consequenc
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuotenutrinoYou might ask them this somewhat revealing question. IF their "technology" (they like to call their scripted rap a "technology", it sounds so much more concrete and scientific and factual that way.... as in, The Technology.... got it ? Like Newton and gravitation, Einstein and relativity, Erhard and The Technology! Woof !! Woff Woof!! How hot is that ?.... ) so any
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteLaura19Hello (I had posted this in the cult forum - but it may be best to post it in the "Human Potential" forum) I am looking for some information or thoughts on Landmark Education’s potential effects on children. My daughter’s father has recently joined the Landmark Group, and since his first session with the ‘forum’ his behavior has been becoming more and more bizarre.
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteIvyI totally understand, my husband who is a realtor was also in this! His Boss, got him in! He must think he is some kind of saint doing some good! I think he is a wanta be! My husband started in Sept. 2005, The thing is I got on the web site, found his pass words and you would be so upset to know how they do there exercises! Lets say when your husband goes to I groups and he i
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuotelightwolfI saw this on wikipedia's entry for Landmark, and it is the first I heard of Dr. Singer's work being put this negatively: Quote. . . Singer's credentials have been discredited by her own profession: The American Psychological Association found her work to lack scientific merit. Several courts have forbidden Singer to testify as an "expert witness" because,
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteanniebeeI'm curious as to why certain religious groups or religious affiliated groups haven't investigated Landmark--not that I am a proponent of Focus on the Family, but you'd think they's jump all over Landmark. I don't know how my kids are going to relate to their dad anymore because "he's not there" anymore. He claims he's had out-of-body, exp
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