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15 years ago
midonov123
I read recently (forgot which post) that Landmark makes a disctintion (in the usual sense) between RECRUITING and ENROLLING. What is it? To me it's like "walking in one direction" and "taking a few steps in one direction". It means the same thing to normal people. Whenever I tried to emphasize to my ex that she was trying to recruit, she said it was "enrollin
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMarkusWelch I'm not so sure of this: "Modern science teaches us that the place we have in the Universe is insignificant both in space and time." The above quote sounds like the E&M anti-concept (especially as time and space are related to man). I refer to facts. The earth is approx. 5 billions year old, the time of apparition of man is insigificant compared t
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quotelooking for helpSo......what is probably the BEST way to stop them is to get a big media expose in the United States. If I understand correctly that is part of what took EST out was the threat of a big media exposure. (Of course EST was reborn as Landmark) Surely someone can get to the media. The big expose' shows haven't done anything really controversial in a while. With all the
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteClausDIa AND, OF COURSE: some things I experienced going on inside LE turned me off. Now you really picked my curiosity. Will you tell us more? This sounds much interesting. What is it that turned you off inside LE?
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteGulab Jamon Why such determination by/of the news media? Because “Landmark Education has a pedagogy/educational method of points (?), and as such, is more subsceptible to be misunderstood than others”. Excellent piece of work! I think you are doing a great servvice to our community. Here's a little correction and comment: «Landmark Education a une pédagogie de pointe et, en
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteClausDIaI am happy that the this web-site exists. I have participated in some LE courses including ILP and TMLP (the leadership trainings) since 1996. I am quite open-minded about everything, so I did not worry too much about "brainwashing" and stuff. I even thought, maybe it is a cult, so what, I can leave whenever I like. Doing the team management program recently, I woke
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quotelooking for helpIt can be stopped! They did it in France. A journalist infiltrated Landmark Education for 6 months with a hidden camera, worked as a volunteer and was responsible for checking the the flow of money (administrative tasks) at Landmark in Paris. His material was used to produce a documentary that was aired on France 3 in 2004 entitled "Piece a conviction, Voyage au pays
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteColdnosesandfluffytails Third, a Dec. 27, 2005 New York Times article entitled "Quantum Trickery: Testing Einstein's Strangest Theory," just about floored me. Scientists have successfully acheived a "cat state" in half a dozen beryllium atom; that is, they managed to make individual berylliuim atoms spin both clockwise and counterclockwise simultaneously. And the tru
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteAcid Reindeermy sister told me that during the Advanced Course the leader annouced that they would reveal the truth or the secret of everything or somesuch, put a video in and played a Monty Python video. the latter courses also push the idea of promoting Landmark. they have a course that as far as I know dangles in front of graduates the promise that, yes, they can teach a course, play a
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteToniThe teachers, including Hagelin, believe that these 'higher level of teachings' (the occult) are withheld at the entry level because novices are not ready for those teachings - it would be like teaching calculus to a five year old, so they say. As one's consciousness expands (and critical thinking diminishes) then the higher level of teachings are introduced gradually. T
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteGulab Jamon It also happens to be a very good movie and very entertaining. It really makes you think. My husband and I both enjoyed it and I have several friends who recommended the movie to me. Are we now not allowed to like the movie just because some people at Landmark also happen to like it? If people in Landmark enjoy chocolate cake, does that mean I'm not allowed to eat it anym
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteAcid Reindeer do you have a source for this? I knew of the indirect involvment with Scientologists with remote viewing projects but not that WE had anything to do with this. See the writing of Jack Sarfatti "In the Thick of It!" In that document, it is said : QuoteWerner (Erhard) was very active with trainings of government people in Washington D.C. Carter [30] had cre
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15 years ago
midonov123
One of the changes of paradigm for New Agers is the passage from Newtonian physics to Quantum Mechanics. Many New Agers will refer to Quantum Mechanics to justify/explain the "creation of reality". This is the theme of the New Age movie "What the Bleep do we Know!!?" that is now available at your local movie rental store. The movie is said to be "a movie where reality
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuotebonnieThis story only serves to illustrate the absurdity of new-age magical thinking. According to their own "logic", if we indeed create our own realities, as the landmarkians believe(?), he couldn't possibly have created a cancer in his Wife. (Just had to add my two bits.) Bonnie, Below is the excerpt I am referring to. It is taken from from “EST and responsibilit
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15 years ago
midonov123
I remember reading about a Landmark seminar where it was argued by the Forum leader that a participant was responsible for having "created" cancer in his wife. This is one blatant example where the rethoric about "creating your own reality" is being pushed to an extreme. I know that this concept of "creating your own reality" can be traced back to Jean-Paul Sar
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15 years ago
midonov123
LGAT could be stopped in some states if it was recognize as "group psychotherapy". So, the first thing is to clarify the definition and have the responsible authorities to examine the content of The Forum. States where psychotherapy is regulated are: California, Colorado, Florida, Nebraska, New York, Wisconsin and Wyoming. The following recent document details the definition and exemp
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15 years ago
midonov123
Here are some questions I have addressed to my local medical community: - Suppose a Landmark Forum leader with no medical background would administer psychotropic "mind altering" drugs to his participants "without their informed consent"! He would be committing a criminal act in addition to illegal practice of medicine. Right? He would be charged and condemned and Landma
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMaggie How do they 'feed on controversy'? I've noticed that they have an answer for every objection.. is that what you mean? ;) Yes. This is what I mean. The more controversy, the better they do. It's been like that for more than 30 years since EST was born. When there is controversy, it means there is a dialogue, and like you say, they have answers to every objec
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteEther DragonIt certainly can't hurt if people contact their local media. If enough buzz gets generated, the media will have their interest piqued. . Going to the media is a first step, but unless a political action is taken, the results doesn't last. It fades away. For example, a series of articles were published in our local neswpaper (La Presse, Montreal) in 2003 ...
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMaggieFor all those ex-LGAT employees (or volunteers) out there, those that have been on the 'inside' -- how do we stop them? Infiltrate? Litigate? What will be the downfall of their business? I really think they are a menace to society!! To me, getting people to speak all the same jargon and think the same way is no better than naziism. That's what the Nazis did.. s
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quotesonnie_deeSorry missed answer about who pays for the scholarship Landmark does. Graduates do not specifically put money into a "scholarship account" basically the person who is getting the scholarship is in the programme but Landmark is not making any money from them ... for the moment. But eventually they will because the Forum is all about turning people into deployable ag
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteAcid ReindeerLandmark, BTW, has a free scholarship available to all Katrina survivors from now until next summer as well as clergy (I thought that only gave clergy half off the basic course?) and firefighters and police. I would like to know about the other kind of scholarship, given out to select others who don't belong to these categories. does anyone know about these and how they
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteEther DragonJust a small update. My wife and I went out to dinner with a friend of hers last night. I didn't really know the guy, but my wife has been friends with him for sometime and regards him as a very intelligent person. Landmark eventually came up in the conversation, and after hearing her description and my own concerns, he started asking questions of his own. In the end, de
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16 years ago
midonov123
QuoteEther DragonI relentlessly debated and presented facts to her this evening. It was the culmination of numerous e-mails laiden with articles, reports, and testimonies from former Landmark members - all agreeing that it is an LGAT/cult. She dismissed it all. She had no answer for why they edit negative articles to sound positive on their website. She had no answer for why government bodies
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16 years ago
midonov123
QuoteEther Dragon ... she repeatedly threatened to divorce me if I didn't stop badgering her with this idiocy immediately. You might want to read "Cult Status", the story of a woman who painfully got out of a LGAT similar to Landmark. You will probably recognize many facets of your wife's new personality and especially the citation above. It's a great testimony. See:
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16 years ago
midonov123
Quotecritical_thinkerWe're back to the suppression again, aren't we? Is that all you've got for an answer? It is you who is doing the supression by refusing to answer my points. But I know you simply cannot answer in an INTELLIGENT manner, because the "paradox" in your communications are too blatant. You have become a victim of a flawed system of logic, and you canno
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16 years ago
midonov123
QuoterrmoderatorNo, but it seems you have finally gotten down to flaming. Please read the rules again. If you don't like the responses don't post. "Flaming" is part of Landmark's tactics to destabilize participants and those individuals they qualify as "non coachable". They go in "flame" when their logic breaks down (inevitably) and they are
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16 years ago
midonov123
Quotecritical_thinker 9) What is the upset regarding which articles you will post or not? If it pertains to Landmark Education, why should they not all be part of the picture and the reader allowed to form his or her own opinion? If I come up with other articles and expert opinions, will publish them? Why Landmark never publicized Jean-Marie Abgrall report about the Forum? See: Talki
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