PS I don't exclude myself from the bitchy / bastardy traits. Its part of the colour of human life - imagine Shakespeare if everyone was a clear light-filled jargon-sprouting holier-than-thou forever abundant prat! How boring life would be... but there's a huge difference between grandiose power-hungry trainers deliberatley engineering bad behaviour in others in order to control them, a
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Gondolf, when it comes to Scientology even I see a conspiracy!
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exImpact wrote: QuoteIn their eyes, ALL people are base creatures with nothing better to do than ruin each others lives and propagate anger, hate and malice. So, in order to bring them around and make them loving, decent human beings and gods again, you have to be stripped of your humanity so that you can progress. This is exactly the attitude of the trainers on inquest and I think it is th
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Rs, Rico is a set of laws used against the mafia, for racketeering i.e. mafia business like fraud. Rswinters and upsidedownnewspaper: Your discussion about philosophy vs business model has got me thinking about Noam Chomsky and his book "manufacturing consent". His basic theory is that in an authoritarian state the rulers control the media and use blatant propaganda and censorshi
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There is some discussion about the Lifeboat process on the Impact Training thread here: And some notes on the red-black game at Klemmer & Associates and PSI Seminars over here:
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QuoteThe program that is presented by Impact Trainings is the only one of it's type in the world. There is no similarity to the other LGAT programs anywhere in the world in 95% of the areas of focus and training. I just described, in detail, a lifeboat process that is exactly the same as the lifeboat on Impact - from a training in AFRICA! Did you not read it or is that a part of obj
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Disenchanted wrote: QuoteI have heard it mentioned several times on this thread that life boat, along with the arcs was one of the most damaging of all the processes. Would anyone be interested in relating their experience with this or experiences they witnessed in detail? Hi Disenchanted, We also did the lifeboat on Inquest. It was the same as you've described except that had to
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fatherof3, Would you mind telling us more specifically what kind of comments and body posture from Hans put you off, and also more specifically what you learned on impact that was useful to you? Sometimes the devil (or the good) is in the detail, both for the positive and the negative. army-of-me, Thanks, its stressful writing about it so its good to know someone is finding it helpful.
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:shock: I found an old article about Landmark South Africa in Noseweek. Most of it is the usual history but this part is worth quoting. I'd love to know if anyone else has heard this story or knows anything about it: Quote DON’T TIBET ON IT Some of the “graduates” of David Ure, once a Landmark seminar leader in Cape Town, have been firing up their recruiting with the story of
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Corboy, thanks for pointing this out. I agree this is a big piece of how they manipulate people. Even on the Landmark video, you see the woman being humiliated and the audience laughing. If you don't laugh at the leader's jokes you are generally accused of being an intellectual asshole or you get told to 'get over yourself' or 'your ego is getting in the way'.
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This post from Corboy on another thread is so good I think it should be posted under every lgat's thread. Corboy wrote: Quote Post subject: To Understand One LGAT is to Understand All or Most LGATs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RSwinters wrote: Quote: I for one have found each and every LGAT topic thread very good infor
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Hello fatherof3, I can relate to what you're saying because its exactly what I would have said if I'd found this forum after doing Quest (South Africa). I remember feeling lighter and more relaxed, more open to fun and less concerned about what people think of me. I thought Quest was great. Unfortunately since then I've learnt differently. You said: QuoteI do see
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QuoteImpact is no different from Klemmer and Asses LOL!!!!! :lol:
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Yes, its definitely heavily influenced by Scientology. The question is whether it really is only a case of people like Erhard 'stealing' the 'technology' or a behind-the-scenes arrangement with scientology to sell the same crap to people who don't want their scientology delivered through a church, either because they have other religions or because they are anti-religi
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As for people mimicking the trainers after the training - Skeptic quoted this on another thread: QuoteThe ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves. D. James I have to add: the most perfect slave are those blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves .... an
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Brad wrote: QuoteIn my experience, one of the biggest "weapons" used against participants on these courses is this: A person's greatest fear is identified. Invariably that comes from a past experience in life. The person does not want to go through a similar experience again. However, it is revisited in many ways on a course, including long meditations that take the person b
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The murders in Australia was committed by a 25 year old woman, who is the daughter of scientologists who were opposed to her taking anti-psychotic medication. She murdered her father and sister and stabbed her mother. There is debate over whether she was or was not on medication but it seems clear that her parents at least were opposed to her taking it: I am looking for reports that stat
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I'm glad some of this information is reaching people, thanks wiseman. I am shaking my head in disbelief over that hospital story! I keep thinking I know how crazy these things are, then I hear something even crazier! Speaking of cleansing and dumping on people did you ever read this very educational thread? Off topic... comparing groups?
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Hi Corboy, I agree with what you're saying but the lgat I was involved with used "vulnerability" a lot; "make yourself vulnerable" was one of their most-used phrases. They pushed us to make ourselves vulnerable by taking risks and showing feelings and weaknesses and fears; and making us make fools of ourselves by doing stupid dances etc. They give a lot of positive
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Thanks Rs. This makes a lot of sense: QuoteThe use of Christian has been so abused in our society that it is not an accurate description to describe someone with any longer. Sorry to wonder so off topic, just got curious in light of confessions in scientology.
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This is all fascinating. I also stumbled across some things about Heidegger, 'house philosopher of the third reich' on this thread: Seems he believed language creates reality and the correct use of language can create "authentic" reality. Amongst other things. Heidegger is on the Quest reading list, by the way. The history of ideas is interesting but the strikin
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Wiseman, it sounds like you've been on the wrong end of a few "its not about you" statements??? :) Strangely enough I don't remember becoming particularly selfish after quest (some people would say I was selfish to start with :? ) ... what I remember is that I could go cold very easily if people were not behaving to my liking or if I saw something upsetting. I could fli
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:shock: You're terrible! Imagine poor Cindy finding herself manifested from the catwalk into the arms of a 13 year old Utah boy!!!! :lol:
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The other scientology concept used on quest is 'clearing'. Scientology has the concept of a 'clear' person: QuoteClear, a person audited enough to be free of the "bank," or reactive mind. (The sum of the memories of pain and unconsciousness the person has) The quest belief is that people must continuously 'clear' (release / communicate / let go of) n
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And here is another scientology process that is used on Quest as a 'nothing' game: QuoteIn the first TR, two people sit silently facing each other, with their eyes closed. In the second, they stare at each other, sometimes for hours on end, inducing hallucinations and an uncritical euphoria. In the next stage, TR-0 Bullbait, the student has to sit motionless, while the "c
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Rs, this scientology technique sounds a lot a bit like the nothingness process at Klemmer that you described: QuoteA quick example is where you sit for over 45 minutes as a participant and being told to do exactly what you’re told to do, and to follow directions. While you set and listen to a facilitator tell you to perform a task over, and over, and over for 45 minutes with it being state
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I think you'll love this: The Secret examined on "Nut Job of the Week" Note "The Parking Game" a Quest (and other lgat) standard...
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wiseman wrote: QuoteWho in their right mind would go one of these courses, then recruit for the organisation, then volunteer their time for absolutely no remuneration whatsoever except the "lead trainer"'s approval! Absolutely bizarre to me! You're totally right - no person in their right mind would make a cold rational decision to spend their money on this. That'
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Just realised I confused some of your messages (about stretches) with outofimpacts... sorry!!
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