From chapter 1 of The Lucifer Effect - some different ways of looking at evil: Essentialist vs Incrementalist QuoteThe idea that an unbridgeable chasm separates good people from bad people is a source of comfort for at least two reasons. First, it creates a binary logic, in which Evil is essentialized. Most of us perceive Evil as an entity, a quality that is inherent in some people and no
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Dr. Zimbardo's definition of evil, for "The Lucifer Effect" is: QuoteEvil consists in intentionally behaving in ways that harm, abuse, demean, dehumanize, or destroy innocent others - or using one's authority and systemic power to encourage or permit others to so on your behalf. In short, it is "knowing better but doing worse". In terms of lgats
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Hi Margie, This is really good news, I'm happy for you and I hope things continue to improve for you and your husband. You said: QuoteAlthough his therapist wasn't familiar with MKP he was understanding of how there is a lot of cult-like groups, and was dismayed when I told him of some of the activities during NWTW. This is really worth emphasising for people who are seeking
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Some discussion about name-tags and contracts (on the Impact thread) starting here: Here is a link to a general outline of training similar to Quest and Inquest (and many other trainings):
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army-of-me wrote: QuoteWhat are some of the nicknames from your summit groups? Does this nickname replace the participants real name for a time? Rs and Sane, did they do this at InQuest and Klemmer, too? Hi army, Yes, they also used these "bad name-tags" at Inquest. They were given to us on the first day, after a process where we each stood on a platform (mini-stage) an
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The noseweek article says: QuoteI recalled Werner Erhard's Hunger Project to "raise awareness" about hunger� only $2m out of $67m raised went to relief organisations, according to Mother Jones magazine (the noseweek of America). Here is a link to several articles on the hunger project (including a Mother Jones one) that Rick Ross has in the database: The Mot
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Thank you Passionate and formerimpactgrad. I feel I'm missing something significant about the group dynamics, but I don't know what - not what I thought though! Thanks for clarifying this for me.
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I have a question about how group dynamics are manipulated in the trainings and I thought I'd ask it on this thread, because there are so many members here with significant experience staffing trainings. Is there an explicit plan to set up different group members in the trainings with specific roles... e.g. leader, scapegoat, good model, bad model etc? If so how is this played on by the
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Fair enough. Having read and analysed both books, can you maybe explain how they are similar and different in terms of how the behaviour and phenomena they describe explains how people are manipulated during large group awareness training? Or in any other way relate the books to large group awareness training?
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I originally wanted to post the info about The Lucifer Effect under the "Coercive Persuasion" thread because it details the mechanisms of manipulation and that was the topic under coercive persuasion. I decided against posting there because there was too much distraction from disconnnect. Now the same problem here. Disconnect, I've looked at several sites on the Lucifer Prin
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This page continues the description from the link above, for advanced training (I don't know how much of it applies to Impact, but it does to Quest-seminars in South Africa). The links are at the bottom of the page under the heading: "The fictional LGAT - a stones throw away from the truth". There are five different types of programs described, as well as the general basic
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Rswinters wrote: QuoteI think that Klemmer & Associates matches this part by how they create Mastermind groups for Graduates of their seminars Mastermind? :? Is that like a Master of the Universe....with a calculator? Seriously: The problem is this quasi-religious stuff seems to mostly happen at the higher levels and very few people come out of the higher levels and expose th
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Correction... I mean "others who know more" not "others who I know more"...
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Hi Rs, I think the lifeboat, red-black game etc are done in Quest, Lift-off and Summit at Impact, then they have another course called TIT where they teach people that they are God and Jesus and can do miracles with staffs, and by chanting crazy things about purple lights while polishing their crystals... or some such nonsense... also that they are Masters of the Universe from a sunken contin
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Passionate wrote: Quote SaneAgain, would you say there was not one good thing that came out of your experience with Impact? :x No, not one good thing. That's equivalent to asking a rape victim if there wasn't one good thing that came out of a rape. What are they supposed to say? Oh, he had nice after-shave??? What can I say about Quest... psychosis, wasted energy, wast
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Passionate, your agree-promote technique is equivalent to saying: I don't agree with drugs and I don't recommend them. But hey, I had a lot of fun and I'm going to miss them and you know, on some of my acid trips I really learnt a lot about myself. Just the kind of thing a drug-peddler would say to a roomful of schoolkids.
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I wrote: QuoteYour thoughts on pre-determined responses reflect the Impact philosophy that what happens in the training room is a mirror of the outside world, and how someone responds in a training room says something about their life or their nature. Passionate wrote: Quote Yes i agree that this is one of Impact's philosophies. That's why I wrote them out. Ii thought those were
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Passionate wrote: QuotePassionate wrote: No answers here. Former, could you take one process, say Lifeboat, and tell us what you saw were "predetermined responses" that Impact wanted them to have? Here's what I think would be a few pre-determined responses, and there may be many: 1. I see that I don't value myself, and I will value myself in the future. I come first
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You are trying to confuse the issue by pretending to agree with Maurice. His point is that the exercise is inherently meaningless, designed only to cause stress leading to psychological breakdown. Your list of thoughts implies there is meaning to the exercises, e.g. Quote 4. I have been living my life in a poor manner. This pre-supposes the exercies says something about how peopl
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The psychologist who ran the Stanford prison experiment, Professor Philip Zimbargo, has a new book out, called the Lucifer Effect. Here are some links: The book analyses how situational power overcomes individual character, based on a detailed review of the Stanford prison experiment as well as more recent phenomena and research such as the Abu Ghraib prison abuses and the mass sui
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Moderator, I have just read some of Otter / beaver / Dynoman's posts and I have no doubt that Passionate is the same person. He is using the same arguments, the same attitudes, the same turn of phrase, the same general attitude and tone and the same basic technique of making superficial criticism of Impact TIT than propagating core principles of core trainings and ridiculing the statement
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An article I found very helpful when I first came to the board was this one: It describes the effect of the room setup in Landmark (same as in most lgats - to a T) and it really astounded me because I was totally unconscious of the effect of the physical room structure. I noticed it was a bit anal but I thought ah well, it takes all types. This article really illustrates how physical en
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This isn't serious research, but its an interesting quote I stumbled across while looking at something else. Earlier someone quoted "Cover Persuasion": Quote20 keys to Covertly Persuade others using the power of Story … How to skillfully use questions to persuade others … people are programmed to answer every question that is asked (even if silently) … you’ll learn how the ri
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disconnect wrote: QuoteIs there any scientific data backing up these claims? Many of us have trouble believing pseudo-psychology like "Covert Persuasion" is effective without some kind of proof. How bizarre. A con artist writes a book exposing the tricks of the trade and you want scientific data to back it up? By definition, a con artist is someone who will do ANYTHING for a
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Army-of-me wrote: QuoteWhen originally posted about "heart/"mind", using your whole brain was what I was generally getting at, but it came out a littel different I guess. That's why I put "heart" and "mind" in quotations and used the words logic and emotion instead. I wanted to point out that Rs had used a typical LGAT phrase (get out of my head and bac
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Passionate: Whether you are Otter are not, you have failed to back up your original claim that you came to this board looking for help to deprogram yourself. Your answer to my question "what areas of your beliefs or responses do you think need to be deprogrammed" was that you don't believe the teachings of TIT anymore because Hans has corrupted them but all your other beliefs a
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Passionate wrote: QuoteThe staffing I did was out of a sense of duty to the world and part of loving everyone. Someone earlier suggested we love the people we see either in the traings or out of it, hurt or not. I loved some of them right out the door...sending them my energy and letting them know I love them even as they reject this wonderful training process. Now I am loving them in a differ
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Passionate Wrote: QuoteI did a search online and this is the only place I could find that posted the truth about Impact. Thank You!!! I feel terrible. I participated in Impact for several years at all levels and then realized it wasnt what it appeared to be. I have led many others down this path. My life is mostly great but I know others have been harmed by my angeling and staffing
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I've posted an extract of "The Jesus Mysteries" on this thread about the origins of LGAT: Its about the Eleusian Mystery Schools in Greece and their initiation rituals, which have many features in common with modern large group awareness training.
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Here are some excerpts about The Mysteries at Eleusis (pre 376 CE) from "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. Its quite a long quote but I found it interesting, especially since death and rebirth rituals as well as confession were used by my LGAT (Quest-seminars) and the idea of "becoming the godman" is practised at Impact Trainings. I've high
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