Rswinters, I apologise for becoming annoyed and frustrated with you on this issue (The Genesis Process). If I'd known your religious views were as they are I would not have entered into any discussion on the subject. I also retract my statement that you were practicing "gross" religious intolerance. If you ever return I will ignore any religious posts you may make,
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This discussion was taken onto various other threads, so I'm posting all the relevant comments into this one, to keep everything together. From the "Other Experiences" thread: Maxui wrote: QuotePosted: 08-13-2007 06:00 AM Post subject: Other experiences -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was a cold
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Correction: the Center of Light is in Midrand, other premises in Fourways. Maxui wrote: QuoteSelf indulgent sicophants feeding off each others misery. I've seen a lot of attacks from lgat supporters on this site, but this one is particularly vicious. Maybe as Maxui suggested, the severity of damage depends on the training style. If I may quote Baruch: QuoteBaruch Persona
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Thanks elena, I missed that too. Maxui wrote: Quote08-13-2007 11:22 AM Post subject: Insight Training Hi I am a graduate of one of these workshops. Seems pretty clear to me. Maxui, looks like you need a top-up at one of your integrity meetings. The Insight Training Center in South Africa is run by Dr Baruch Banai. Courses include Turning Point, Joyspring and The Mile and are run
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Shadow, earlier you said: QuoteI had to see my Doctor (who is a South African) this afternoon...She told me that her used to work as the head of the Human Resources Company in South Africa. The firm started mandating that everyone take the course (Quest), her sister refused to have any part of it and had to resign her position. That's very interesting... one place I'll be sure no
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Billy-g, thank you for your comments. What really rubs salt in the wound for me, is being told that my bad experience is my own fault because I wasn't "ready to face my fears" and I "interpreted" things incorrectly. That's like a (relatively) healthy smoker telling a ward full of lung cancer patients that they're sick because they inhale wr
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:lol: Shadow, fire that quotes teacher!!
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*sigh* Elena's comments obviously refer to certain types of teenage boys bragging about their conquests, including things like how much the *chick* loved it, blah blah, without mentioning that they paid for it, and the *chick* was probably bored out of her skull. Maxui, I think you're jumping to conclusions. elena's not slating prostitutes, she's slating boys that li
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Hopeful Soul, what (and who) are you actually talking about? Rswinters or the trolls and apologists who hang out here?
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The Shadow wrote: QuoteI feel so much better since I have been reading and sharing here, and I am grateful that people are brave enough to be honest. Thanks Shadow... QuoteI understand that you are feeling very angry at been used so badly....I think my friend might be feeling that also, but not really understanding, that is why she lashed out at her boyfriend on night, and the very nex
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Maxui wrote: Quote However my response would not be "*shrug* It worked for me." That is a massively selfish response and not in line at all with what I got out of the workshops I attended. For me we are all one (and for rsWinters this is scientifically provable) and any deliberate loss of life is unacceptable. Presumably then you would not recommend that anyone
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Have a look under MKP - Mankind Project - it has hundreds of branches all over the world and may.
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Passionate, the AA is not christian based - traditionally it promotes and uses belief in god, across all religions that have a god or gods. Some AA programs replace "god" with "higher power" or "the universe" to make it accessible to non-theistic religions like first nations, buddhists, and various stripes of new-agers. QuoteAA is not
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Rs, my original motive for posting on this topic was that I was concerned about you entering a group-based belief altering program when you are still vulnerable from an lgat. I am still concerned about that and while I am happy you feel it is doing you good, please, from one ex-thought-reformed person to another, be very careful with this and keep your wits about you. I am sorry you feel
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Hi Maxui, Your first post did kind of give the impression you've done Quest - may I ask, which one of the lgats did you attend? exImpact said: QuoteSympathy? Bah, apathy is more like it. You basically said, "Well, It worked for me, so fu** the rest!" I don't entirely agree with this. I agree with the "apathy" part but not with the &
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Rswinters wrote: QuoteExImpact. I am on the team of exposing LGAT's. I am not on the team that views faith and science as seperate. I will call into account the contradiction on this matter that exists on this website. If I am not allowed to remain because of this view. So be it. I just ask for the same standard to be applied to all views. Even are negative analysis of thi
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Rswinters, it was a parody, not a real church. It WAS sarcasm, from Maxui. Moderator, Rswinters is on a personal crusade against me because I am not a christian. That is religious intolerance. He has flamed me here on the Genesis thread, and has made personal comments about me on the Impact thread. He has also promoted christianity and christian programs here, on the Genesis thread, on
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I don't know the facts of this case, I'll leave that to someone else, but lets assume you're right. Erhard raised a daughter who publicly accused her own father of sexual abuse, in return for money. :shock: Not exactly a great advert for parenting skills and happy family relationships, is it? And then we have Buster from Quest bragging in the middle of a seminar that his
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Hi Maxui, What does *shurg* mean?
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Rswinters, it seems you have resorted to personal attacks against me, and you have also misquoted me on a range of issues. This is no way to have a rational discussion. While you are waiting for the moderator, perhaps you could provide some quotes to back up the following claims that you made, before I joined in this conversation: Quote I have picked up a very strong sense of bashing any
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My local Mosque is running a rehabilitation course for ex-convicts, which is funded by various groups opposing the US invasion of Iraq and the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Its an experiential seminar run over a weekend and the program is based on critical analysis of false beliefs, within a framework of the Quran. You have to sign a release form for your mental health history and do a public
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I'm busy working through some resources from "The Lucifer Effect" on resisting unwanted influence. I'm finding them very helpful in understanding how I was manipulated into Quest and how to avoid similar manipulation in the future. I've started posting some of the hints and guidelines on this thread about the Lucifer Effect:
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From Dr Zimbargo's 20 Hints about resisting unwanted influence: Quote 1. Do not maintain an illusion of “personal invulnerability” – If it can happen to them, then it can happen to you too. I would add that it if it can happen once (being caught by a cult or lgat) it can happen again. Being caught once doesn't automatically immunize you against future attacks from other sources.
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Okay, rs, but bear with me for one more post. Rswinters wrote: QuoteYour statements in this paragraph are not accurate. Just like your statement that there is not scientific evidence that is in support of Christianity. Since there really is no scientific evidence in support of christianity, I take it both my statements are accurate. If you have scientific proof of christianity perhaps
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This site has a rule against promoting religious views. QuoteThe purpose of this forum is not to promote a specific religious or political viewpoint and/or to proselytize. It does not have a rule against pointing out the religious bias in a group that someone is promoting, or pointing out that its highly ironic for a religious organisation to teach critical thinking, or pointing out that
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QuoteThis is where society has miss labeled biblical Christianity. It is not my job to debate faith with anyone. If God is God. Let Him reveal Himself to a person. He has to me, and all I am trying to do is live out my biblical faith the best way I can in being a person making a difference in our world. ...I will not debate Christianity with anyone on this website. I will talk about LGAT&
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1. Your previous post stated that there has been severe bashing of christianity on this site. That is blatantly untrue. There is also no bashing in anything I said. 2. You have promoted a christian program on 7 different threads that I can count, including a new thread entirely devoted to the program, that does not explicityly state up front that it is christian program. You have also sta
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Rs, may I ask, how did you become involved in this group?
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Here's an interesting link to a site about the dangers of evangelism: There's an article about how aspects of religion can be an addiction, by a christian woman: And an expanded version of the Dick Sutphen article on mind control article: various articles on conversion methods: I'm not saying this group is evangelical or fundamentalist, on the contrary i
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Rswinters wrote: Quote I have been reading some very strong bashing of Christianity... I have read some posts that bashed Christianity and held my tongue I haven't seen any posts under this topic (large group awareness training) bashing christianity. On the contrary, I have seen several posts promoting it, including this new topic that you have created. Your first post under this t
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