Hi Disenchanted, You wrote: QuoteEveryone on the board, I would like to see a professional, but I am so overwhelmed at the idea of trying to explain all of this. I am also a little concerned that some random counselor might not see the seriousness of the situation or that because of the mental conditioning, I might explain it all in a way that doesn't seem that bad. I wanted to
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Hello wiseman, thanks for your message. I am very curious - did you see any significant or measurable improvements in your family members when they did quest and inquest? And how are they now, are they still involved and if not do they still talk quest-language? Can you tell us more about how it affected them? Quest is a relatively small organisation. They do a quest seminar once a mont
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Hi Rs, These details you are giving about Klemmer's training are very interesting and I am sure as you list them you will find many people joining in and talking about the same processes on different trainings as well. For example, at Quest-seminars we also did the red/black game and the lifeboat game, probably others similar but by a different name. The lifeboat game is plain p
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Hi Midnight, This is particularly distressing, because in addition to all the usual problems with lgats, as you just said this one: * manipulates people to use education grants that could be used for something that is actually useful. * creates division in the band and community (usually restricted to family and friends) * uses the structure of the band and community to recruit * tar
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exImpact wrote: QuoteThe Bergers are graduates of the Lifespring LGAT and created Impact with a man named John Webb (no idea what Mr. Webb is up to nowadays) Well, I think I found John Webb. I'm not 100% sure its the same one, but this is definitely an lgattie sounding guy. He's involved in running experiential workshops based on the book "What colour is your parachute&quo
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Skeptic: :lol: maybe our Wendies are the same, and they just teleport through the fifth dimension on an Impact broomstick-staff-thing. Maybe all the LGAT staff and leaders are THE SAME PERSON! LOL!! exImpact said: QuoteThe Bergers are graduates of the Lifespring LGAT and created Impact with a man named John Webb (no idea what Mr. Webb is up to nowadays). Here is a link to a family tree:
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QuoteOne coach in a group thing said to my daughter that he saw her as pond scum! and that is supposed to help you grow??? Exactly, how are you supposed to grow from such insults???? Our course (Quest-seminars) also had some very bad insults for people. well done on leaving early, against all the pressure, I can well imagine. As for all that stuff they want you to give up - our cours
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dizeb wrote: QuoteMy eldest daughter and I are scheduled to go in July. Hi Dizeb, are you still scheduled to go?
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Hello, When you say: QuoteAm I going crazy? - yes, I can relate to your experience!!! :lol: But seriously - I don't think you're taking this too seriously. Even without severe psychiatric casualties these organisations basically take away people's freedom and restructure their lives - all for profit. The basic business model is they push people into making superf
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QuoteIn the bible, Jesus also warns of false prophets. He also tells us how to know one when we see one. He says we can know a tree by its fruit. We can know the truth or falsity of a teaching by the results it produces Oh, this is an unfortunate quote from the bible. The lgats also tell you to judge things by their results. Of course they only look at a limited and biased and brain-washed
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Hi Brad, You are so right about the lgats being all the same; when I first found this board I was outraged at being blatantly lied to, because Wendy told us on several occassions that the Quest training is "Unique in the world". But it isn't in the least; in fact its a carbon copy of every other lgat I've read about (or the other is a carbon copy, who knows) with some mino
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QuoteScientology: We can help your crap become 'clear' Well, that's just Transparent Crap! Don't fall for it John, don't fall for it... :roll:
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Rs, I am very sorry to hear about the divorce papers, and everything that has happened to you with your wife and Klemmer. Seems you're on the very bad end of this point from the article you quoted: Quote5. They sometimes foster inappropriate patterns of relationships. To me it is part of their godly grandiosity, trying to control and manipulate any and all aspects of people&#
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Hello Brad, I haven't seen any South Africans here before (as far as I know). Did you attend another lgat in South Africa or do you have a different interest in being here? (If you don't mind me asking, if so not to worry). Thank you for confirming about Quest being an LGAT and your thoughts on the event you attended. Just some extra comments for anyone reading: I hope I
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Yes, and I second what Maurice said. Forgive yourself - your motives were good. When I first came to the board this is one of the first threads I read and it really helped me a lot, as did Maurice's thread.
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An interesting perspective on primal therapy and other means of releasing the past:
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oops... got the brackets wrong! sorry.
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LOL!!!!!![/size] :lol:
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Connecting a few dots in the South Africa LGAT industry... QuoteSubject: Finished your Scamway story... Wed, 26 Aug 1998 Well-yes. Interesting; There was a cult called Breakthrough that sprung upon my home town a few years ago that operated along similar lines, separation of philosophies, almost divine worship of a leader, hugging, sleep deprivation in the name of "trainin
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John Fox wrote: QuoteFunny that you should chance upon the toilet training angle .... Funny that you should mention that. The Leadership course requiring the enema is offered by the The Legacy Center, a Hanley / Lifespring off-shoot. :shock: The plot thickens...
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Rs, you've solved the mystery!! Did you see the reader protest at the bottom of the gastrointestinal quackery page? I quote :lol: : QuoteReader Protest We received this e-mail response from someone who apparently has deep feelings on this subject: Since you think you're so informed on what would constitute staying healthy, why don't you actually stay on top of MEDICAL R
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Found some data academically relevant to this thread on Factnet and could not resist my anal impulse to keep all related subject matter consistently categorized: QuoteAnonymous (12.65.38.31) Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 4:57 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... BTW - speaking of "the weekends".... I kno
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Question lady wrote: Quote have noticed that many of these LGAT's talk about "integrity" a great deal. I don't know if Klemmer is one of them. Of course the definition they give integrity is a very twisted one. I have thought a great deal about this topic and you have expressed it very simply and clearly, thank you for that. However even after reaching this conclusio
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Contrast - old self / new self Repetition - enroll, enroll, enroll, enroll, enroll, enroll ad naueum Alignment - hmmm? Don't know, what does that mean in graphic design? Proximity - enroll the ones you love most first! Then you can wake up with lgat in the bed next to you each day.
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Elena wrote: QuoteNice trick, isn't it? That these people, who are in fact a sort of psycho-criminal syndicate, are able to link your integrity with their ability to continue their slimy business because few will ever speak out or expose them. It's the same trick the gangs use by labeling people "snitches," as though that were the worst thing in the world you could be.
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Thank you Question lady, this is an interesting article. I think the techniques they use are holistic - they do a combination of mental, emotional and physical conditioning all at the same time. They present the concept or idea they want you to accept (with specific keywords) which you would not normally accept from a rational perspective. While they are presenting the idea they say a
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QuoteI didn't choose to be lied to. I didn't attract brainwashing. I didn't create deception in my reality. I didn't send approval to being bullied. Exactly.
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Hello outofimpact, Thank you for raising the subject of stretches. I have been wanting to bring this and related subjects to the board for some time but every time I try to do so I find myself re-living the experiences and also having extreme anxiety, because in the training I did (Quest / Inquest in South Africa) these processes came after an intense 'commitment to secrecy' process
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LOL!! And that 'get over yourself' line! When all else fails..."get over yourself".
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