Maxui.... in the context of the convesation then... I also have a number for a VERY expensive specialist in non-physical domination... just dial 555-Sha-dow... :lol: *waits to be woo-hoo'ed* :)
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Hi Rsw, thank you for writing this, and for writing it here. These kinds of things need to be said. I'm not in a position to talk about them so I'm very grateful that you do. A quest person might jump in here with the claim that being at cause is not blame. This is their exact definition of responsibility (sorry quotes are not working): "Responsibility starts with t
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Rs, these are great posts, thanks. I like the way you think through things. I agree with you that its the wrong question - who will have a good experience and who will have a bad one. It takes away a person's mental freedom either way, so why even bother? I'd rather be a flawed and faulty person of my own design that is 'me', than a perfect happy love peace joy robot cre
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Hi dragonfly, I've read that some cult experts (like Margaret Singer) say that therapists can be of no use or even exacerbate the problem if they don't have a good understanding of how cultic groups work, because they tend to push the client into other things like their childhood, or relationships (in your sisters case, being a native living on a res) - so its best to find someone wh
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Maxui, earlier you asked me - is life not like this? In other words, "do as I say, or pay the price". In places, yes. To the extent that the world operates on this principle of unjust autocratic power, its a crappy place. As people challenge unjust systems and work towards systems with checks and balances and objective systems for defining and enforcing rules eg constituti
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Damn! I get commission! :lol:
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Are you being sarcastic or shall I send the number?
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Well now. I'm not really into that, but I can refer you to a good dominatrix if you're interested.
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*cough* Maxui - autocratic means: adjective 1. favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes. 2. of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one
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*sigh* the cool icon is supposed to be a 7.3.
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Help - Why does BB code show as OFF on this thread only, when my profile setting is ON?
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Maxui wrote: "My reason for participating in this forum are two fold. I was interested to find out why when my experience was very positive others found it extremely damaging. the other reason was to offer my views on the subject and engage in healthy debate. " Something interesting I just read, related to this question of why some find have extremely damaging exper
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Thanks Hopeful Soul, I'll try to get a copy of the book. In the meantime what I'm still curious about is how you personally see the problems in Impact, other than the religious beliefs they teach. The reason I am struggling to understand is that I don't have a religion, so for example, if you talk about trifling with souls, my first thought, as a person not raised and educated
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Thanks Rs, I am honoured. I saw you mentioned 'the funeral' at klemmer. What was that about? On quest we had a 'death march' - maybe the same thing again?
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Ivan wrote: QuoteI unlike RSWINTERS did not go to these seminars expecting a mirror image to the way I view my faith. I found some of the terminology different from what I would have used but none the less the topics were put forth in a manner that did not offend or challenge my belief systems. QuoteAs for RSWINTERS Genie comments I think he may have misinterpreted that particular lesso
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Seriously, I think the emphasis is on the extreme and bizarre things like 77 day acid trips and whitehouse sex slaves, but the research on mind control - second generation programs - shows that a subtle approach works best - so surely the MK ULTRA people must've known that too, and looked into it?
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Hi kageki, I'm sure there's a lot of interesting stuff in those declassified papers... its a pity the subject seems to be dominated by fringe people, and that there is a bit of a deafening silence on it from the mainstream media. Speaking of conspiracy theories though, how's this: Werner Erhard invested money in remote viewing experiments run by the Stanford Research Ins
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acv3, I am sorry if my message last night was overly harsh towards you; I just struggle to see who 'you' are, behind the PSI-speak. I generally prefer to be polite to people who defend these things, as long as they are open about it. After I did Quest I said all the things you are saying, and I thought it so great that I got lots of my friends and family to do it. Who knows what I ma
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I didn't read your post wrong, you read acv123's post wrong. They did not come here for help, information or education. They came here to tell us they had a good experience, and that we are 'mistaken', and in a very holier-than-thou tone that implies those who have anything bad to say about it have something wrong with their attitude, ie they were not 'willing' to
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Passionate wrote: QuoteSane, when you say that someone "TOTALLY discount(s) the suffering which you've just read about", maybe you could see the other side of the coin and say you are totally discounting that this person had a good experience. There are two sides to that coin. The way people talk here, it seems that is it an impossibility that anyone could have a go
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Hi elena / rsw / anyone else, Do you have any links to articles on how the actual processes used in these trainings affect brain chemistry or other physical / biological effects? I am thinking particularly of processes where people 'go into shock' (that's the best way I can describe it) eg after a stretch they go pale, break out in a cold sweat, become weak and need to be phy
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avc123 wrote: QuoteI read many of these posts, and ones similar to these after the first night that I attended the Basic Seminar. I almost backed out, but ultimately I am really glad I didn't. And a close friend just got back from PSI7 and filled me in on her experience. Which was also great. First I want to address some mistakes that I have read here and in other posts. "Th
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Hi melburn_oz, There are tons of ex-landmark and landmark-affected people over at the "large group awareness training / human potential" thread, come on over:
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Oh, hello Rs! You've joined us for breakfast! - At least, at my end of the world! Thanks for the apology, I'm so glad you came back. :D
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Hopeful Soul, I read some of your previous posts and I see you get your enrollment figures off their website. Sorry about the dumb question. I'm still confused about the rest but since it wasn't addressed to me, I'll just mind my own business instead of jumping to conclusions.
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Well, well, well. Dig, and what pops up? Scientology. Pat Grove is a "clear". Amazon.com has a book review on one of Pat Grove's books on "I Am" training (name of his courses) that says: Reader review: QuoteIn 1995 I participated in the Essence training, an ofspring of the I am training. Pat Grove trained Yiftach Sagiv, founder of Essence
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I can't find any direct links between MSIA or Insight Training in the US or john-rogers, and Insight Training South Africa. Wendy and Baruch were both originally trained by Pat Grove, another South African who runs lgats, and who seems to be the first to have done so in this country. If anyone knows where Pat Grove trained that would go a long way to tracing back the origins of both que
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army-of-me wrote: QuoteUgh, I remember standing up to "engage" and saying that I was having a hard time at the training because I didn't trust my feelings, I only trusted my logic. Justin told me that there was a "possibility" that I didn't know the difference between my heart and mind and that we were about to do an exercise that would "a
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Hopeful Soul wrote: QuoteIndoctrination vs, Training Since this is an education forum, not a religious forum, a little latitude in discussion is needed to combat what is clearly a religious based indoctrination entity, Impact Trainings. They have chosen to proclaim ecumenical status, that is, worldwide or general in extent influence or application. Their deprivation of mental freedom offen
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Rswinters, I apologise for becoming annoyed and frustrated with you on this issue (The Genesis Process). If I'd known your religious views were as they are I would not have entered into any discussion on the subject. I also retract my statement that you were practicing "gross" religious intolerance. If you ever return I will ignore any religious posts you may make,
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