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11 years ago
dutch
It's been about 5 years since I last posted here. I did pretty much every course Landmark offers between September 2002 and June 2003 in the Amsterdam center. This website was a huge help when I started having nigthmares and post traumatic stress as a result of my participation. I was a regular poster and really benefitted from what I read here. I am truly amazed that Landmark has left
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
15 years ago
dutch
hello roveberg, thanks for your posts. Always interesting to hear a voice from the inside. Just to let you know, I did the Curriculum + CAP and CPP. My involvement with LE lasted about 2 years in total. My time at LE can be summed up in two simple sentences: 1. The technology doesn’t work. 2. Ultimately, the ONLY thing that matters is registration. In my two years I happen to ha
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
dutch
loving life, thanks for your reply. Werner Erhard would be very proud of your response. Classic Landmark smoke and mirrors. According to your way of thinking, the troubles I’ve endured are entirely “my” doing. Landmark has no responsibility whatsoever. That’s a crock of s—t! As far as brainwashing goes, there is no question in my mind that I was brainwashed. I was focused on one thin
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
16 years ago
dutch
Lovinglife, - interesting posts. So much of your language reminds me of my time with LEC. Just to let you know, during the 18 months I was involved, I did the entire “curriculum” plus the CAP, CPP. I stopped participating summer 2003 after the entire LEC house of cards collapsed into lies and systematic manipulation. A few weeks after my last course I started having nightmares which LEC, of
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Oh my!! I guess Zaffron just got bored giving forums in Omaha and had to spice up the gig a bit. I'm particularly disgusted by the 8:00 pm 'fine dining.' What happened to the tough guy, "we'll be here for as long as it takes for you to get it..." approach?! I guess the platinum people don't have to stay until midnight. Here's another thing; No Tue
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
hey corboy, thanks for that article. Fascinating. I remember growing up, my mother always used to say that to run for President you had to be pretty sick. I love that line about dominating every room you walk into. So true for forum leaders. It must be so intoxicating/exhausting for them that they stop going into 'normal' rooms and stick to the Landmark Centers. They certai
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
hey briggs, Welcome to the greatest scam on earth!! I won't be weak. I have "tried it on". The 'great results' you mentioned 'worked' for me for about a month. Then they turned into nightmares and serious psychological anguish. That's what happens when you come back down out of the clouds, and brainwashing gives way to normal human thought. Bu
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
dutch
Hi Jan, Thanks for your answer. So you did just get fed up and leave! Wow! Takes a lot of courage after 4 years of brainwashing. It doesn't surprise me that the impetus to leave was connected to registration. That's what finally made me hit the road. The pestering from 'coach' and 'buddy' got so frequent that I just thought, 'hey - don't need thi
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hi Jan, Glad to hear you made it out with your sanity reasonably intact. I'm curious, did you simply finish your IL stuff and then just leave? Or was there an incident that set off your 'completion'? dutch
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hey Guy, thanks for the info. always good to get another glimpse of the inner workings. dutch
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hey Glen, As much as I like the idea of you sabotaging a Landmark Forum, I'd still advise you to stay home and save your time and money. The thing is, if a forum leader figures out what you're up to, most likely he or she will simply stop the proceedings. Literally. They are trained to not let anyone, under any circumstances, undermine their authority during a forum. They will
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Could somebody please explain what a 'moving average' is? Happy New Year! dutch
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hi Lil, thank you for your post, it reminded me of so many of the feelings I've been having the past six months. During my "curriculum" I was one of the people that stood up and questioned the leaders. the leader then accused me of being , " a pain in the ass" "over-intellectual" "a spoiled brat" etc. For weeks afterwards I replayed those moments
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Gremlinuk, When I got sucked into the LEC abyss several months ago I remember thinking, "I don't see any dodgy cool-aid or apocalyptic messianic maniacs. These are just regular people, like me. This can't be a cult." WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY L.E.C. IS THE OLDEST AND MOST EFFECTIVE COMPANY IN THE BUSINESS CULT BUSINESS. We don't see it coming and then...BAM! In r
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
hello kico, great to have another person participating who knows the scoop from the inside. I'm sure you've read some of the posts from Guy and GC4062, both former staff members. Excellent to know there's someone else out there who's willing to inform. As far as survivors groups, I've been looking for the same thing here in Amsterdam. Maybe we should put togethe
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hello survivor, I'm interested as well but a while back I found an e-mail contact address for the involved parties in Ohio and sent them a mail. Given the fact that I've had no response whatsoever, I'd imagine the stormtroopers from LEC HQ have already gotten to them. Or maybe they just had a change of heart. Either way, there doesn't seem to be anything happening.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hi Jack SF, I have read your posts over the past several days with great interest. Your banter with Guy is, to be frank, some fascinating entertainment. Thank you. But something struck me in one of your recent posts that I'd like to respond to. You mentioned considering an "opportunity to leave" should it come up at SELP. I finished SELP a few months ago and there is absol
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
hello guy, thanks for the response. Didn't mean to sound sinister with the 'other means' remark. I suppose I meant by using the media, or picketing, or some form of protest. I know there have been class action law suits in the US. Have any of them gone against Landmark? GC 4062, excellent feedback. thanks again. I'm getting a lot out of your responses.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hello Guy, in your response you mentioned efforts in Sweden and Denmark to oust Landmark. I imagine that would involve a court of law. From everything I've read, fighting the LEC lawyers is an expensive and exhausting undertaking. Or could it be done by other means? about hypnosis. I read in one of your posts that you became aware of your own use of hypnotic methods during one
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hello templar, about the nightmares. One of them was a loop that kept repeating itself in the dream. In reality, I arrived Sunday of the advanced course with a question about alternative dates (other than the two being offered.) for SELP. I was going skiing and just couldn't do the available dates. I asked one of the assistants, "are there more dates?" He said bluntly, &quo
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
hi gc4062, thanks for your resonse. I've looked around the amsterdam area for survivors groups but can't find anything. LEC hasn't been here that long. I've also asked around with mental health pros' but nobody knows anything. Question about your group: how do you keep it from being a rant-fest? Or is that the point? Just to get it off your chest and laugh at
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
dutch
Hello everyone. Back in June I finished my last LEC course. A few weeks later I started having nightmares involving specific moments during the advanced course. After the nightmares persisted, I contacted the center to inquire/complain. I'm sure you can all imagine the reactions I got. Here's a little sample: "there's no brainwashing here. We don't harm people&
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