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14 years ago
midonov123
I heard rumors that Tony Robbins may be running for presidency in 2008! Is this the beginning of a new form of facism? The facism of brainwashing? This is very scary! Huh? ... oh but I forgot ... there's nothing wrong with Tony Robbins or his cult zealots, isn't it? Certainly if there is something wrong going around in this world, it must be me. Maybe my brain needs to be fixed ..
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14 years ago
midonov123
Hi, Toastmaster International is recruiting at my workplace, targeting our managerial sector. This all sounds dubious to me. Any info about that organization? I found out searching the net that some people compare it to Tony Robbins and Landmark Education. Is Toastmaster an LGAT with a multi-level scheme? Thanks MD
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14 years ago
midonov123
QuoteHopeDr. Wolf wrote this on his webpage. He is the quantum physicist who was featured in The Secret. Writing a Self-Help Book By Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D. For those of you who wish to market a new self help book on "the new Secret" of the "law of attraction" I hope you read these thoughts before you go ahead. There are many books out there, even more than I can imagine
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14 years ago
midonov123
AntiCult, Thanks! The letter you are pointing me too only confirms my apprehensions. Oprah's Secret IS driving woman away from conventional therapies in favor of quackery. The letter to Oprah also says: "Although Kim decided not to have surgery, chemotherapy or radiation treatments, she is working with a doctor who specializes in breast cancer to improve her nutrition and outlo
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14 years ago
midonov123
Hi I am preparing a talk on quack cancer cures and psychic healing. Inevitable, I will be talking about the "phenomenon that is sweeping the nation" as Oprah said, namely the movie "The Secret". In the movie "The Secret", Cathy Goodman who suffered breast cancer, claims that she healed herself by having happy thoughts within a period of 3 months "without
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quoteginah :wink: Ok, here goes me, creating my own reality........ ready? MKP does not exist. MKP does not exist. MKP does not exist. MKP did not "recruit my husband and "brainwash" him as MKP does not exist. MKP did not "recruit my husband and "brainwash" him as MKP does not exist. MKP did not "recruit my husband and "brainwash" him as MKP
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15 years ago
midonov123
I can tell you a little bit about the Shrodinger cat to illustrate QM. To support my view, let me only mention that I am a Ph.D. in physics (not kidding). So imagine a that a cat ... (yes!, a live cat "animal") is put inside a box together with a mechanism that includes a radioactive atom and a poisonous vial that will kill the cat if broken. The vial will be broken depending if
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15 years ago
midonov123
This concept is typically New Age beliefs. See some previous posts: Mike ;)
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quotejoe6It is common for supporters to excuse Landmark for their lawsuits and tactics, saying "Well, they're a business. They have to do what they have to do to protect the business." So my question is not so much about the Landmark leadership being "out of integrity" in trying to erase Charla Mack from existence. My question is why do the Landmark supporters also rema
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quotenutrino Does this not sound like a deranged, bloated, otiose overextension of an idea from its proper realm into places it has no applicability ? Inquiring minds would like to know. It does indeed! QM has inspired New Agers for decades and that includes "Werner". Today, this mouvement is manifest with the popularity of the New Age movie "What the Bleep ..." a movie
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuotenutrinoQuotemidonov123 There are some similarities between QM and EST in that it cannot be fully understood.. What are these people thinking ? Did it never cross their minds that quantum events take place at quantum scales ??? The Erhardians appear to have made some fantastic, untenable extrapolation from a model, a set of hypotheses, an attempt to form useful abstractions about things
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15 years ago
midonov123
He took Werner from Werner Eisenberg, the german physicist who enunciated the Uncertainty Principle in Quantum Mechanics. Quantum Mechanics was always a part of EST and today, Landmark zealots fantasize on the New Age cult movie "What The Bleep ...", a movie about Quantum Mechanics in a weird and distorted package. It's all about the culture of Uncertainty and the paradigm shift
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quoteskinniesorry to hear that you weren't able to keep your marriage together. you might want to consider that you could be blaming landmark education for your failed marriage. there's probably a lot associated with that. I can't believe this crap. :roll: You all sound the same. How many of you are there anyway? I know all about this type of argument. Of course we could�
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteBrad69It seems to me that the idea of co-dependency is one that many LGATs use to break the bonds between recuits (for want of a better word) and their loved ones, especially in the case of husband/wife and boyfriend/girlfriend. They suggest people are not reaching their full potential and being manipulated by their partners (oh the irony). Is this the experience that readers of the f
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15 years ago
midonov123
Well, well, well. Now, what will be the next thing these Landmark advocates will come up with to make us feel bad about our meaningless opinions (LOL!)? Chances are that Myles is preparing something in a concerted effort with some Landmark coaches or other officials to try and break us. After all, they are in the business of transforming people's mind, aren't they. Anything Myles sa
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteDynamix I don't exactly remember how we got to me saying I thought that she and my forum leader from the forum had "been tricked into believing this stuff", but I said it, and she replied "You think that I and xxxxxx are so weak to be sucked into a scam? What a joke! You think that xxxxx, who was a well respected scientist before she gave up her career for Landmark was sc
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoterrmoderatorLeaders had no sense of differential diagnosis and assessment skills, valued cathartic emotional breakthroughs as the ultimate therapeutic experience, and sadistically pressed to create or force a breakthrough in every participant. Leaders had an evangelical system of belief that was the one single pathway to salvation. Leaders were true believers and sealed their doctrine o
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMyles I am having trouble understanding your logic. All I did was ask you why Landmark is a cult. Your answer here is that just by asking you the question, that is what makes Landmark a cult? I totally understand the part about not being declared "a cult", but how does asking you what YOU think make it into a cult? My intention in the question was not to create a cult just by a
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15 years ago
midonov123
Quotenutrino Let's perform a little thought experiment: Assume, instead that Myles had written "He suggested that his father "John Wayne Gacy" is the only person in the whole world that is qualified to be "John Wayne Gacy". Then the leader agreed that what the father had done was terrible and no one will ever be likely to condone what he had done to his son an
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15 years ago
midonov123
I think we got Myles of this thread. If he read all of this, he must be in a state of profound cognitive dissonance. I doubt his Landmark logic is consistent enough to counter our arguments. Unless he considers that opinions are meaningless, but in that case hiw own pro-Landmark opinions are meaningless too ... another meaningless cultish paradox.
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMyles A guy went up to the mike and said that his father was a drunk and an abusive father. He went into some very specific stories of abuse that had left the son thinking he was weak and worthless. ... He suggested that his father "John" is the only person in the whole world that is qualified to be "John". ... However, since "John" is the only per
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMylesQuotethe leader blasted her for "making him wrong" and running a "poor victim whose daddy doesn't lover her" racket. Thank you for sharing that story. This reminds me of something remarkable that I saw in my forum. A guy went up to the mike and said that his father was a drunk and an abusive father. He went into some very specific stories of abuse that h
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMylesQuoteNot to mention that he left "did you do est?" out. <sniff, sniff> We just don't get no respect no more. I meant no disrespect. What is "est" and how is "est" related to this topic? ???!!! You don't know about the Landmark/EST connection ??? And you say you have knowledge??? That's nonsense. Educate yourself!
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMylesQuoteIt is clear that you are a Landmark zealot who wants to "share your new possibilities" with us, but we are not dupe. And if you want to insist that I am running a racket, I couldn't care less. This means you are being cultish, which confirms my knowledge. Do you get it? Yes. I definitely took the course and yes I got something very specific and important (to me)
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMyles[I want to get an idea of how your opinion was formed and is it tested. For example: I can read about sex and I can watch a movie about sex. That would be knowledge. It is absolutely possible to form an opinion for myself from having studied those resources. However, once I had experienced sex; I had a much deeper foundation from which to form my own opinion. When you add knowledge
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMyles Once I saw the avoidance with my sister, I could finally see the difficult situations I had been avoiding in my company. I don't see why I wouldn't want to share this with my brothers and mother? Is this the new soft technique developed by Landmark to enroll people pretending this is not enrolling? The same old song of deception again and again.
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteHope There was a woman in my group who had been abused by her Dad and hadn't had a relationship with him for about 20 years. After she got up and shared all the things he did to her, the leader blasted her for "making him wrong" and running a "poor victim whose daddy doesn't lover her" racket. The leader rationalized that if he was really a sick person, he wou
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteMylesI was unaware of this site before taking the Landmark Forum in March 2006. I might not have taken it based on some of the posts that are here. For those of you that are curious, here is what happened with me during the weekend forum in Boston, MA. I saw that I avoid difficult situations. For example: My sister had been sexually abused by our father when we were little. I
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15 years ago
midonov123
QuoteAcid ReindeerI decided to write this message to ensure that I will look like a real ass if I break down and post again. it has transpired that I think I have said pretty much everything I have to say on this messageboard and that as a consequence of that and of curbing the internet addiction that I happen ot have, to break off now. if something drastically changes that had happened in
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