I have agreed to disagree with Ricks stance on Faith vs. Science as he stated one is based on facts while the other is based on belief. I strongly disagree and will not remain on a forum so biased as this. Since this is an impasse that will not be resolved. I have informed Rick that I will remove myself from this forum. There will be no need to be banned by him. I have gained much from
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I have agreed to disagree with Ricks stance on Faith vs. Science as he stated one is based on facts while the other is based on belief. I strongly disagree and will not remain on a forum so biased as this. Since this is an impasse that will not be resolved. I have informed Rick that I will remove myself from this forum. There will be no need to be banned by him. I have gained much from
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I have agreed to disagree with Ricks stance on Faith vs. Science as he stated one is based on facts while the other is based on belief. I strongly disagree and will not remain on a forum so biased as this. Since this is an impasse that will not be resolved. I have informed Rick that I will remove myself from this forum. There will be no need to be banned by him. I have gained much from
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I have agreed to disagree with Ricks stance on Faith vs. Science as he stated one is based on facts while the other is based on belief. I strongly disagree and will not remain on a forum so biased as this. Since this is an impasse that will not be resolved. I have informed Rick that I will remove myself from this forum. There will be no need to be banned by him. I have gained much from
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QuotePassionateRS, I'm sympathetic with your struggles and I have heard you talk about many many different ways LGAT's have affected your life. Just a few questions: What makes this Genesis program different from LGAT's? Are there any similarities? Alcoholics Anonymous is a Christian-based program that works for people of any faith. They don't specify how to worship
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QuoteSaneAgainEvery time you claim that you have scientific proof of christianity you are implying that Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Taosm and a host of other religions as well as atheism are wrong. If you want to debate it, fine - but not on this thread. exImpact & co have enough problems trying to deal with the all the trolls and apologists here without having to waste time rep
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Per Ricks request that he has posted. I take responsibility for my part of the huge debate that has taken place between SaneAgain and myself on several threads. It was a hot topic of faith and science. It got ugly on both sides. I am sorry for posting in connection to this argument that got out of control between us. I will keep posts on this thread to Impact, and or how Klemmer &
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QuoteMaxuiIt was never my intention to bash your faith. If what I have said was perceived as such I take responsibility and apologise. for me the church didn't work i found it hypocritical and controlling however I would never presume to tell you that your faith is without merit. again for me it is about usefulness. If an idea - correct or not - is useful in living your life in a mann
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QuoteMaxuiHi Simply because I detest organised religion does not mean I deny the existence of a creator. in fact I would say that for me there is no doubt that I was put on this planet by a higher power to serve a specific purpose. A purpose that I now know and holds true for me. and Science actually provides the proof of that. to state my beliefs briefly "Live your life in
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ExImpact. I am on the team of exposing LGAT's. I am not on the team that views faith and science as seperate. I will call into account the contradiction on this matter that exists on this website. If I am not allowed to remain because of this view. So be it. I just ask for the same standard to be applied to all views. Even are negative analysis of things. Biased yes, but bi
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QuoteMaxui*sigh* There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. If you feel manipulated I apologise, it was never my intention Have a good day my friend Matt you are very gifted at the use of language to your advantage. show up conniving, point out others failings, then go back to being conniving. This is definitely the two faced LGAT mindset that I have learned to hate i
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QuoteMaxuiQuoteRswintersYou say parody, I say intentional sarcasm to bash me and my posts. Sarcasm by its very nature is intentional. Look its quite simple - I am not a Christian nor will i ever be again. I detest organised religion. for me, its opium for the masses. but if it works for you then awesome- I am glad that you found something that enriches your life and allows you to produce
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QuoteMaxuithe first few lines of your post I was smiling thinking to myself hey - this guy isn't so bad after all - we disagree on a few things and thats normal - if we all agreed we wouldn't need a forum to discuss things. then it turns out you were baiting me. lulling me into a false sense of security to then take advantage of me in a most insidious manner... ...Practice what yo
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QuoteSaneAgainRswinters, it was a parody, not a real church. It WAS sarcasm, from Maxui. Funny how the concidence of this so called parody is matched to the time frame of Saneagians attacks on the Genesis thread. You say parody, I say intentional sarcasm to bash me and my posts.
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QuoteSaneAgainModerator, Rswinters is on a personal crusade against me because I am not a christian. That is religious intolerance. He has flamed me here on the Genesis thread, and has made personal comments about me on the Impact thread. He has also promoted christianity and christian programs here, on the Genesis thread, on the Klemmer and christianity thread and on approximately ten other
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QuoteMaxuiGood morning. First some clarity. I do not work for Landmark or Quest or any other "transformational company" and in fact have not attended a Landmark,Quest or Insight workshop. I deliberately did not mention which workshops I had done because I knew someone would suggest I worked for X or Y. If you want confirmation of this I will gladly forward you my work deta
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Where is the links to what this church believes? Where is the information for an informed decision on this church versus just hearing you give your second hand account of this church. You may not be giving a fair evaluation of it as you are not giving any links to what it believes, or is doing in our society. I would prefer to have you give links for me to make an informed decision on my o
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Not sure if this is connected. But earlier tonight at the same time the forum was getting spammed agian. My McAfee virus scanned blocked a series of invasive programs that was connected to a trojan. My virus scan it blocked access to this from happening to my computer. Which I was online and connected to this forum only on my computer. It blocked it from invading from the net, and sinc
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QuoteThe ShadowHi Rswinters, just to clarify -- are you being sarcastic when you state "judging is negative" or do you really think that? We judge all the time. We make good judgement calls and bad judgement calls. But perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. Not sure what you are asking me? I am also not sure I want to know? I have got myself back to a plac
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Stating how there is a tolerance while deep sixing any opposing view is not tolerance it is domination. I can't even say I am guiltless in this. I have reacted with extreme emotion at times that crossed this very line of tolerance to domination of my own views. Yet, it doesn't mean this is not a valid point of view to have in making our posts on this site. Along with how we inte
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During the training that I went through in this last week on The Genesis Process. We covered Neurochemistry and how it affects brain by looking at some scientific data on brain chemistry. For me the part that stood out was the aspect of Serotonin and how it affects the brain chemistry and what emotions are affected by this chemical. I used to take Zoloft for about 5 years and got to a pl
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QuoteexImpact[If your opinions are not strong or potent enough to brave this apparent "lack of niceness" tone, it is my opinion that hearing them is not necessary, simply for the fact that, notwithstanding criticism, you don't think they are important enough to be heard or that they cannot withstand scrutiny. So it comes down to either people withhold what they have to say
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QuotePassionate...While I support your idea that the very nature of the discussion topic here is contentious, it need not be a personal attack or go so far as to make someone feel stupid or feel that their opinion is not as valuable as anyone else's. The Golden Rule has nothing to do with any of your arguments - its how you go about arguing them..., in my opinion, that Damaged may be addres
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QuoteThe AnticultThe problem is if a certain group simply says that they have found The Secret direct from God, and its true because God said so in a certain book. So any type of therapy program, needs to be done in a open, testable, scientific manner, where the results can be analyzed objectively. In terms of psychological health, a good marker is to be able to agree to disagree, and see
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SaneAgian. I am also not going to dig into past posts on this forum to show you posts that are showing my claim of bashing. Because it is very clear that any posts that I reference on this matter will be debated by you in such a powerful way. You obviously love to debate and are very good at it. I do not love to debate, and am lousy at it. This interaction between us proves it. As far
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SaneAgian. Why are you so dogmatic in keeping this debate stuck. I don't want to debate. I want to share how this organization is helping me. How it is, and why it is. I want to share it in a manner that lets the reader choose what they do with my sharing. It is simple SaneAgian. Stop demanding that this debate continue. Let another member have the freedom to share a view that ma
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SaneAgain. I am not ignoring your demands for proof on science and faith being the same, or not. I just recognize you want to debate an unsolvable debate on these two opposing views. Here are two links that I got from doing just a fast search on Creation and Science. You can do your own searches for various links that are out there supporting various websites with credible information discu
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Quote"SaneAgain"Leaving aside the orbitting teapots - a very good comparison - I have not claimed to have proof that god does not exist or even stated that god does not exist. What I have said is: there is no scientific proof of god's existence; belief in god is a matter of faith. The bible says the same thing, so I don't know why you're arguing this point. Th
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I broke my post that said I was going to take a break. Well, based on the responses. I need to consider even remaining on this forum. I may, or may not be back. Let Freedom reign. I have the freedom to my religious beliefs. Thank God for that regardless of this sites biased views.
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QuoterrmoderatorTo whom it may concern: Promoting any relgiously based program on this message board is against the rules. Promoting it? Since when is offering a link, and stating how it helped me in my deprogramming promoting? I gave full disclosure of this organization for all to read. SaneAgain chose to latch onto it being a faith based organization. If this is how posts that have
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