QuoteSaneAgainFor the record, at the risk of repeating myself: the only reason I am objecting to the christianity here is: 1. Rswinters didn't take "no" for an answer from non-christians who don't want to attend a christian course or use the tools of the course. The tools involve replacing 'false' beliefs with christian beliefs, so its perfectly reasonabl
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QuoteSaneAgainMy local Mosque is running a rehabilitation course for ex-convicts, which is funded by various groups opposing the US invasion of Iraq and the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Its an experiential seminar run over a weekend and the program is based on critical analysis of false beliefs, within a framework of the Quran. You have to sign a release form for your mental health history a
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I will take a few days off in reading this website. I came on today to post my challenge and was overwhelmed by posts from SaneAgian wanting to be right in his beliefs while not giving the evidence in support of his statements. It is easy to attack another by demanding things as SaneAgian is making. Without showing up with the same requirement on his own statments. Sorry bud. I am not le
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SaneAgain stated... Quote...Acutally the very phrase "false beliefs" is irrational, because no beliefs can be proved to be true or false; if they were proved true they would be facts and if they were proved false they wouldn't be beliefs (assuming the believer had any common sense at all). Every post on this website is a belief then. Including yours that you have been
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Okay SaneAgain. So what I am hearing from you so overwhelmingly in your posts is you want to be right in your views. While making me wrong in mine. You want me to show proof, while you can make blanket statements by saying them with such force that you hide from needing to show the proof of your statements as well. You make blanket comments of what you say my posts are saying while failin
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SaneAgian. You really like to debate, and be right don't you. It also seems you like show up being what you condem in others. Show the proof that God doesn't exist so that all the religions of the world will be proved wrong. How about stop demanding for proof of God, and show up with the proof that God doesn't exist then. Are you and advocate in profession? It seems you
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I have been doing a lot of thinking over the current debate. SaneAgian is stating that I should not be allowed to discuss things that have Christian aspects as part of my posts. While stating anything containing a faith based element is promoting Christianity, and should not be allowed. While his posts which make blanket statements that God doesn’t exist, and Christianity is not valid are ma
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QuoteRswintersSaneAgian. First off. Let me clarify for you a few points. I am a Christian that is based on Biblical aspect of Jesus Christ dying for my sins on a cross. It is How I am a Christian, and it is how I remain a Christian. I am not tied to anyone religion, or church. I do go to a church. But, even in that church I have disagreements with what they believe at times. My faith
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SaneAgain. Second... Your stance on how Wrong Christianity is in your posts is no different than how you are saying I am being in my posts on Christianity. You say I am focused on Christianity and defending it. Yet your just as focused on stating out how wrong it is, and attacking it. We have a fused debate on Christianity going on here. Lets get of the topic of Christianity please.
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SaneAgian. First off. Let me clarify for you a few points. I am a Christian that is based on Biblical aspect of Jesus Christ dying for my sins on a cross. It is How I am a Christian, and it is how I remain a Christian. I am not tied to anyone religion, or church. I do go to a church. But, even in that church I have disagreements with what they believe at times. My faith is a personal
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QuoteSaneAgainI am trying to discuss LGATs and deprogramming, but you are ignoring all my objections to this group that are not related to christianity - like the release form, the commitment process, the fact that its a seminar with group pressure, the fact that you are handing over authority over what you think and believe to an outside agency, how you came to be involved in the group (were yo
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QuoteSaneAgainI'm not asking you to defend your religion, I'm asking you to quit promoting it. Saying that you're not promoting it doesn't undo the fact that you keep posting about christianity, and promoting a christian group - then getting defensive and accusing others of christianity bashing if they object or disagree. This opposition towards either stance is what I am c
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QuoteSaneAgainI'm not saying this group is evangelical or fundamentalist, on the contrary it sounds like they do good work with addicts, but I think that when the support of an lgat is taken away we might be more vulnerable to other groups, and should be alert to that (I speak for myself as well here). Do you not see how in your anger over LGAT's that this website is full of evangelis
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QuoteThe AnticultBut releasing that type of extremely personal information to any sort of "seminar" is an extremely bad idea. What happens to these records in the future? What if the organization changes hands, who gets the records 10 years from now? Critical Thinking forces any organization to criticize its own weaknesses, so it would be useful to see some criticism and
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QuoteSaneAgainRs, may I ask, how did you become involved in this group? This is a good question, and over the next couple of months. I will answer this question. For now, I am a little overwhelmed with addressing the gaping emotional wounds that I have never dealt with in my 44 years of life. I have a few current ones that are being dealt with in professional counseling. So. Please g
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QuoteSaneAgainThere is also the possibility that your christian beliefs are false beliefs (certainly jews and muslems would say so) and that your christian beliefs made you ripe for the picking by klemmer. Perhaps your christian beliefs need to be examined, critically and analytically. I am not bashing christianity, I am just saying it is a religion and a belief system like any other. It is al
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QuoteSaneAgainThe group cannot claim to practice pure critical thinking if it is a christian group. That is a contradiction in terms. Christianity is a belief system itself, so they are quite surely switching out people's belief systems for christianity. This might not bother you if you are already a christian, but it sure is a belief-switching system for people who are not! What is you
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In LGAT hairy fairy land. All meaning is relative, and can be changed to suit a persons desires. There is much to be found in reading about destructive narcissism in a person. A person operating with this in life will feel that the law is not applicable to them. It is not that they are intentionally breaking the law. They are actually in such delusion from such a self focus that they are
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I reread my first post. I did come across as attacking you. Didn't I? I am sorry for that. I have been holding my tongue on this website over the past couple of months as a I have been reading some very strong bashing of Christianity. Bashing, and not critical analysis. Because I can deal with critical analysis of Christianity. Bashing is not needed, and in my opinion is not appro
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Quote"Jack Oskar Larm" Rswinters, I was not attacking you, so please refrain from questioning my stance. First of all, I don't think it is healthy to generalise with statements such as 'garbage New Age philosophy'. Yeah, we can list many that fall within this description, but to make such generalisations cannot be healthy when we're trying to understand the n
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Read the topic on The Genesis Process as a LGAT deprogramming tool... Good stuff
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I hate to say it agian. But Klemmer & Associates is no different... LOL... I have been on this website for several months now, and it is becoming kinda mundane hearing about all of the different LGAT's and how they operate. Why it is getting mundane for me is how they all use the same tools, techniques, and modules to work with. Yet, when your in them as a participant.
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I am a Christian and there are many on this website that are not. I have gained much from many that are not Christian in their posts that I have gained much from in helping me heal from my 2 year LGAT bunny trail that I went on in it as I let this LGAT philosophy destroy my life. Now I found a tool that is helping me deal with addressing the false beliefs about things in me that set me up to
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Quote"Jack Oskar Larm"I'm confused that in your first post you state that this organisation has no 'release' forms and yet in Process 1 there is a section called Release Forms.Quote I can see where it would cause confusion. These are medical release forms that need to be signed to get mental health records from professional psychologists to help in understandin
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New information to read on a new topic thread...
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New information... Read this new topic thread...
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I just found out this week that waivers that we sign prior to attending LGAT's are not legally binding. We can still sue them, and these waivers are not worth the paper they are written on legally. This opens up new, and very powerful options for me in exposing Klemmer. Wahooo....
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I am a little ovewhelmed at this moment. I will be digesting the stuff from this week in Professional Counseling as I digest the many false beliefs in me that I confronted this week. I am not sure taking the counselor seminar without taking the 16 week course was such a good idea for me. I was a little overwhelmed at the many false beliefs that I discovered that have been destroying my lif
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all the posts that I have made are at this link. I am sorry I forgot to put each link to each part posted. But, this is where to find the information posted.
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Introductory Process Process 1 Process 2 Process 3 Process 4 Process 5 Process 6 Process 7 Process 8 Process 9 Process 10 Introductory Process You will begin to understand some basic Genesis recovery principles / tools and how your addictions have affected your life and relationships. The Law of Pain Double Binds Life Application Homework Back to top Process 1 Assessm
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