QuoteSaneAgainHi Rs, I think the lifeboat, red-black game etc are done in Quest, Lift-off and Summit at Impact, then they have another course called TIT where they teach people that they are God and Jesus and can do miracles with staffs, and by chanting crazy things about purple lights while polishing their crystals... or some such nonsense... also that they are Masters of the Universe from a
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QuotePassionateRS, I failed to see anything posted on this thread or the Klemmer thread that talked about the processes in Klemmer's TIT equivalent. You must be reading a different website then... Here are just a few of many... Red/Black and how it is ran and processed in seminars... LifeBoat and agian how it is ran and processed in seminars... And many, many more that have been
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QuotePassionateQuoteYour thoughts on pre-determined responses reflect the Impact philosophy that what happens in the training room is a mirror of the outside world, and how someone responds in a training room says something about their life or their nature. Yes i agree that this is one of Impact's philosophies. That's why I wrote them out. Ii thought those were some of their pre-de
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QuotePassionateAnd if you want to compare me to Otter, then go ahead. The dude knew what he was talking about, what happens behind those closed doors at Impact. If I recall correctly, you didn't attend Impact. Klemmer may be a clone but is not Impact. Ex and Former have talked about how the TIT series is more structured towards the LDS people in this area, so may be very different than y
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QuotePassionateNo answers here. Former, could you take one process, say Lifeboat, and tell us what you saw were "predetermined responses" that Impact wanted them to have? Here's what I think would be a few pre-determined responses, and there may be many: 1. I see that I don't value myself, and I will value myself in the future. I come first. 2. There is something
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Need to edit a sentence on my post. It should have read like this. This is not refusing, or allowing for positive to be shared here. Which these apologists seem to ignore the total, and absolute delusion that a person is being as they have and inability to face, or handle the negative in what is shared here. This reads better than what I posted in my post.
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QuoterrmoderatorTo whom it may concern: After being banned from the board fatherof3 emailed me the following: Quote"I guess if you have something positive to say you are not wanted. I thought it was suppose to be an open thread but I can see now that it isn’t. No wonder everyone in there is so negative because all you do is kick them out if they aren’t." And then this email.
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QuotePassionateI do stand by my post that morals are relative. Here's a good article that describes morality and the philosophy of them: I promise this isn't a religious discussion, but Impact seems to dabble in that field a bit so I thought I'd bring this up. One thing I have wanted to discuss is the "I AM" statement made in Summit. Pamela would say "I A
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QuoteughaibuOkay, but for me the first question is why do people put themselves in the situation? There are no cults or abusive groups without victims. Reading various posts on this board can be quite heart breaking, people who have already suffered a negative experience costing them years will ask "is this group okay?" or similar. For me this is the question, why would anyone, partic
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Passionate are you sure that you are not Otter reincarnated? Any computer nerds out there who can check into this?
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QuotePassionateI had a different experience in Lifeboat. I kept my own vote and received the second highest number of votes in the training. For me, in my core training, this was one of the few processes that didn't tear me down. Spiritual?, in reference to the perfection they teach, I saw it a bit differently. I didn't see that they actually taught that we are perfect in the lite
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QuoteformerimpactgradQuotePassionateI had a different experience in Lifeboat. I kept my own vote and received the second highest number of votes in the training. For me, in my core training, this was one of the few processes that didn't tear me down. Spiritual?, in reference to the perfection they teach, I saw it a bit differently. I didn't see that they actually taught that we ar
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QuoteexImpactQuoteRswinters I am considering taking a break from this website not because I am in disagreement with what is being shared. It is however touching on the severe emotional wounds from my very recent enmeshed involvement with Klemmer… ...And from one obsessed man to another, based on your profound and prolific responses on this board, you are obsessed. This is NOT a criticism, I a
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It will be the first hand paries like me who point out this malpractice and take a lawyers hand legally walking them through the legal system pointing out what is already in it. Right now it is to muddied, and spread out in a incoherent fashion for lawyers, or the goverment to see it. In the united states these type of issues don't get addressed without there arising a public outcry of f
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It seems to me that you amongst a few others that have responded in this fashion. For me, this is not about shutting down LGAT's. It is not about making it so they can't operate in our society. What I am suggesting is addressing within the legal realm the aspect of removing their ability to have participants sign releases from psychological damage. This aspect alone in my opinion
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QuotePassionateEx, Interresting way of looking at it. Each of us seems to have a different way of envisioning the heart-mind connection. You seem to be very logic-based. Do you ever use your emotional side in a constructive way? I have seen emotion from you here..anger and such...which may be justified. Are you telling me you don't like emotion and that it doesn't have a big rol
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QuotePassionateQuoteThen I began a very in depth look within myself with full critical thinking turned on in this introspective look. This line brought out a bit of curiosity in me. I know in Impact this "getting real with ourselves and getting to the bottom line" was stressed at many times. How is a counselor different than Impact in this area? I don't see that I need a thera
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Rswinters Senior Member Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 307 Posted: 07-19-2007 12:38 PM Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Passionate wrote: Rswinters, thank you for posting about how you are overcoming your stuff and for admitting that you have some deep-seated issues about yourself that were present for many years
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QuotePassionateRswinters, thank you for posting about how you are overcoming your stuff and for admitting that you have some deep-seated issues about yourself that were present for many years. I know that people who have problems are harmed by Impact at a greater level than people who are fairly stable before going throught it. Maybe you could look at Klemmer in a slightly different light that
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QuoteMartinHin my country there is an independent commission of experts initiated by the government the investigates "psychogroups" They have written a very interesting document with more than 200 pages on possible causes, effects on society and prevention, and future laws. Only the worst groups such as radical right-wing or communist parties can be forbidden by law. My point to m
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QuoteMartinHQuoteRswinters Can any other members attest to MartinH intentions being true here. Please don't take offence at me asking this question. I need to be more discreet in how I blast away with on LGAT's. I hope you understand this. Thanks. Hi Rswinters, I am so negative and cynical about Landmark that I was actually asking for help to be able to set up a powerful an
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QuoteMartinHLandmark closed offices in Denmark or Sweden too, in Europe it very strong in the UK and in Amsterdam (also in Frankfurt, Germany) here, cult information from Switzerland www.sektenberatung.ch/texte/76.pdf www.infosekta.ch/is5/gruppen/lm_anonymus1992.html I think Landmark closed due to bad press and subsequent drop in participants, but no legal action or something ... Pre
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I shared this in a response on Impacts topic thread. Which if you read in detail the many posts. You will discover that Impact and Klemmer are basically twin Large Group Awareness Training in how they function, and operate with particpants using many of the same methods also. Here is link to topic thread, and copy of my post. Rswinters Senior Member Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 3
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Okay folks. I have just got back from doing something that got me out of my head, and back in my heart. I am looking at my interaction with fatherof3 in the past couple of days. This thread has really pressed my buttons these past few days as it stirred up the atomic destruction and pain within my life as a direct result of Klemmer & Associates that we have uncovered lately as being
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Quotequestion ladyQuoteMartinHI world full of Landmark graduates is a sh ...world. We need to do something. Amen. I seem to recall reading somewhere that Landmark left Switzerland and some other country. Anyone know if that's true? I got the impression that it wasn't because of legal reasons but rather widespread bad press. I'd like to know more about that. Anyone got the s
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Quotefatherof3...I did say however that every LGAT is different from the trainers to the trainees and so forth. I am not saying that any of them are right I just said for someone to talk about a different class shouldnt be comparing it to Impact it isnt a fair comparison. The mechanics are the same yes but not the learning... Two more things here. 1. I am sorry for coming across so abrasive
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Quotefatherof3QuoteRswinters First off, in case you did not correct it. I am the one you quoted. Second, You obviously have not read in depth of this website. Third, every point you have made in this post has been addressed already. Keep digging, and reading. It has already been established as people are breaking the secrecy that these LGAT's are carbon copies of each other.
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Quotefatherof3Quoteformerimpactgradfatherof3, I guess I'm just asking you to "be open" to the possibility that while you may not have experienced the mental anguish that many others on this thread have experienced, you may find yourself realizing in several months that everything that happened behind those doors was completely pointless for you and very harmful for some of the o
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After the introspective look that this website played a huge part with helping me look at the negative aspects. Now there has been clarity on what I failed to do on my end, and there is still more clarity to get here. Yet, at the same time the introspection has been walked in enough by me, and now its time to hold these LGAT's accountable for their part. Which is glaring, and huge.
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QuotePassionateI did a search online and this is the only place I could find that posted the truth about Impact. Thank You!!! I feel terrible. I participated in Impact for several years at all levels and then realized it wasnt what it appeared to be. I have led many others down this path. My life is mostly great but I know others have been harmed by my angeling and staffing. Does an
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