Gee, vlinden. That's amazing that a person who is insane is a best selling author and seminar speaker. I wonder how she does it if she is so insane? But wouldn't that make the millions of people who buy her books insane? Are you saying that millions of people including me are insane. Interesting since you have never met me you can judge so freely. Ah, judgment, how does it feel?
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Byron Katie was once insane and appears to be insane now. Even Landmark and The Forum aren't as wacked out as Katie's lunatic reversal of reality. I can't believe how many people are listening to this woman. The world is a mad house. Here is a review of her book from Amazon: If no stars were available, I'd choose that. This self-help book is aimed primarily at helping th
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golfer6716: Last warning. You seem to be here to defend certain people you support like Tolle and Byron Katie, which is OK. But promoting their beliefs and books is not OK. This board is not here for you to shill for your spiritual gurus. Either stop or you will be banned from the board. I am specifically referring to the posts that you have made, which were not approved, recomm
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Your so called new age flavor of the month is bigger than every 3 years later. Gee, he must be a real flash in the pan, lol. I guess that's why Oprah picked his book for her book club and is doing an online seminar with him. Yep, you were right, he's a flash in the old proverbial pan.
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I find Byron Katie dubious in that she charges enormous amounts for her seminars. Why is it if somebody charges money for a product, that makes it bad or evil? Since James Dobson charges for his books, would you call James Dobson dubious. How about Rick Warren? Joyce Meyer? They all bring in millions of dollars a year in income, MUCH more than Byron Katie. I find your criticisms dubio
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I guess these guys are on the Landmark leadership program (ILP), a boot camp for learning how to get new grads, they need statistics and they have to be unreasonable ! But who is watching the videos anyway. I saw Byron Katie videos recently, they are really good, they show the actual work with people openly and freely (not like Landmark hiding everything) ... Landmark is a fishy and dangerous or
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I keep hearing about therapists recommending The Secret and Byron Katie and other harmful philosophies. This is a very disturbing trend. I guess it goes to show that people must use discrimination in selecting a therapist. Just because someone has the educational credentials doesn't mean they know what they hell they are doing.
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LOL Rs!!!! Are you 'clear' now ?? LOL!! Can't resist anothe one: Byron Katie 1. Is it crap? 2. Can you absolutely know that it's crap? 3. How do you react when you think that thought? Notice all the effects of thinking that thought. 4. Who would you be without that thought?
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QuoteHope When I sought counseling post my Landmarkian doctor, the first author the very mainstream therapist suggested I read was Byron Katie. EWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What also needs to be pointed out is that therapists are utilizing this film and LGAT "technology" in their practices. This is really dangerous stuff because it does not address the problem, but it makes people feel worse about themselves. When I sought counseling post my Landmarkian doctor, the first author the very mainstream therapist suggested I read was Byron Katie.
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This from the grand dame, Byron Katie:QuoteTrue creation is like this: There is no cancer until the doctor tells someone that they have cancer and then until they believe it they can’t have it. If they have never heard of cancer before, they must first be taught that it exists, and then they can believe that they have it, and that must be taught too. If they don’t believe it from the doctor, then
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Hi Gemini, Well, I'm curious, do you think Katie's criticism of the Secret makes sense? It's as nutty as the Secret. As I said, I've had a little exposure to her and I think she's way out in la-la land. My bullsh*t radar sounds when I hear her. Is she someone who makes sense to you? Her goal/promise is that you will be forever happy because you will love
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I'm sorry, but Byron Katie's "4 questions" are cuckoo. I love how she answers them . . . they somehow always manage, even if the answer is nutty, to prove/confirm her "work". Her "work" is not logical. It's magic and fantasy. And the answers to her 4 questions go in circles, as do the 4 questions themselves. It's like the circular lgat illogi
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Byron Katie's blog on The Secret dd April 22, 2007 ''The Difference between The Work and The Secret'' best, Gemini
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QuoteVerbalizin And it's your interpretation of that event today that now causes you to resent and fear and dislike LGATs. When I first started out of the LGAT-induced trance, I used LGAT thinking to analyze the confusion I was feeling. I used all the mindgames I could to assign all responsibility to myself for my LGAT experience. However, I now see it differently. I take no respo
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Ellen, So well said!!!! Excellent description!!!! I love it!!!!! skeptic
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Verbalizin: See Contegrity, is reportedly "an organization whose two founders hail from Landmark Education Corp., which has ties to Werner Erhard and Associates and the Erhard Seminars Training, better known as 'est.'" For those who don't know about est or Landmark... See Contegrity appears to be another LGAT. You don't seem like a researcher or
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QuoteVerbalizin I suspect that Katie and her work are useful primarily if not only for coddled, neurotic types like me whose problems are, it is obvious to everyone else, alive nowhere but inside our own skulls. If you are a more seriously traumatized survivor of war, sexual abuse, torture or having to listen to loud hip-hop music, I'd look elsewhere. That's not an indictment, necessa
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Thanks for the feedback, rrmoderator. I don't mind being labeled, although I don't agree with the label, because I'm not running for office and I'm sure that neither you nor any reader of these forums will be influenced by a label. If I were to propose a label for me, it would be "just some guy trying to figure things out." I won't say more on that in order to a
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Verbalizin: You seem to be here largely as an apologist for Katie and/or various aspects of LGATs, which are quite controversial and generate serious complaints. Your lengthy posts seem to eventually and essentially blame the victim, rather than take into consideration that LGATs and unprofessional self-help gurus often hurt people due to the dynamics, structure, content of the program and
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If I were you, I'd use a different example. Say a large person is standing on your foot. Say also that this person is wearing golf shoes and you are sporting your usual stylin' flip flops. To what degree is your level of discomfort merely a factor of your thoughts about this situation? Not a lot, is my contention, and I think Byron Katie would probably tell the SOB to get the fork off h
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Here's an example of why I think BK's teachings are nutty. She says, "When you do The Work, you see who you are by seeing who you think other people are. Eventually you come to see that everything outside you is a reflection of your own thinking. You are the storyteller, the projector of all stories, and the world is the projected image of your thoughts." While this is p
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Looks to me like there's a reasonable chance all could agree that Byron Katie has more potential than some to turn into a cult leader, but that at this point no one can really say that "The Work" and its devotees constitute a cult, Katie is a cult leader, or anyone has been seriously harmed by any of it, not including people who might have been healed if they had gone to some other
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QuoteMadshus QuoterrmoderatorIf Byron expects people that attend her "therapy-like setting" to sign a release form limiting her liability that would be a big "red flag." The thing that caught my eye here is that you say 'if Byron expects...' ...but she doesn't, does she? And since she doesn't, then why talk about a red flag that doesn't exist? T
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Hello rrmoderator... I hope the weekend was a good one for you. I just read your response to my posts from Friday, and wanted to comment on a couple things... First, you stated the following... QuoterrmoderatorBut when people pay for professional help or guidance it is always best to go to someone qualified with credentials. First, because they have the specific education typically requ
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Verbalizin: Suffice to summarize that Katie is not a licensed professional using cognitive therapy. She is more of a hit and miss amateur without the proper training playing with people's minds and emotions. For $150.00 an hour you would get a trained and board certified clinical psychologist or psychiatrist. Why bother with Katie? And there is always a family member or friend
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Thanks for the feedback, rrmoderator. I'm not sure I'm doing a very good job of defending anybody. On the other hand, I'm not dismissing or attacking anybody either. I'm strictly in this for myself and even if I were inclined to defend Byron Katie, she seems capable of looking out for her own interests, whatever those might be, so I probably wouldn't expend my energies on
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Verbalizin: You seem to be here to defend Byron Katie. Yes you do seem to blaming everyone other than Byron Katie for whatever negative or questionable impression her "work" has wrought. Again, Katie is not a qualified therapist. And her sessions do seem to reflect the problems of other self-help awareness training groups as previously outlined. Katie is marketing and sellin
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Point well taken, skeptic. One of the requirements for the existence of cults is a group of gullible and willing followers. Not a few charismatic spiritual leaders have renounced any claim to being special (Jesus, for example) but were deified willy nilly. People, some in particular, seem to have a drive to worship other people. On that score, I wonder what the incidence of serial cult members is
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QuoteGulab JamonQuoterrmoderatorGulab Jamon: Many controversial groups, movements and leaders are discussed here that are not labeled as "cults" and have not been called "cults." I know you yourself have not called Byron Katie's organization a "cult", but a poster above implied that she is a guru and has guru-like tendencies, and even said that her denying
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