Shout out to Corboy for pointing out something I didn't think about when I posted about Pucelik's book. There are two versions: one from circa 1990, and the other is an updated version. The one from 1990 is the one I'm referencing, with the writing team of Pucelik and Byron Lewis. It's a good read, and I might have to get myself the updated version, too
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News about the "Turnaround"... I got a book from the "secret" third man who helped create NLP, named Frank Pucelik. It's called, "The Magic of NLP, Demystified". Check out his version of the meta model in the book. You'll find a section on referential indexes. This section is broken up into five subsections, one of which is called, "reversed referen
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question lady Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > QuoteygHi Solea > > The issue of authority is a big one, and if we > e were not looking to authority outside of > ourselves, or authority learned from outside of > ourselves but now internalized, we would not be > prey to so much. > > > > Getting free of the lure and the
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helpme2times Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Remember that video where Katie is counseling the > woman who is afraid of war? Well, there are > actually three videos covering the entire > dialogue. I just watched > Part > 2 - "I'm Afraid of War". > > Actually I didn't make it through the whole video. > It bo
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PLEASE SHARE EVIDENCE of ANY incidents similar to what I share! The dialogue excerpt at the end of this post confirms one of my biggest fears, and a lesser-known fact, which is that world-denying nondual teachings ARE being used to deny the reality of violence and abuse, which enables/perpetuates it, gaslights/shames real victims, and puts REAL PEOPLE at REAL RISK of REAL HARM including deat
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jj52 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Zentient, > > I don't know anything about the Unity Church, but > I did think it was really odd that a Church would > have Katie come do a seminar there when I saw that > event listed awhile back. Katie's belief system is > so Anti-everything-Christian... she doesn't belong > tea
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If Jacs' behavior wasn't enough to show the org is compromised, which it obviously is, I looked into the 3 other co-founders and seeing major red flags about another co-founder Craig Holliday... In the description of every one of his youtube videos, he likens himself/his teachings as similar to a list of people that include many teachers that are well-known as dangerously unethical
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Oh god, Jacs' Holocaust comment... It's just like Byron Katies' notorious one: "When I’m walking to the gas chamber, other than what I’m thinking and believing, what an amazing day!" —Byron Katie Appalling. And believe or not, its' still posted on Byrons' website: www.thework.com/2017/11/video-no-one-can-hurt-thats-job/ I think t
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I'm so upset, deeply concerned and profoundly shocked and didn't know where else to notify people about this. The ASI, which I joined several years ago, calls for ethical integrity among spiritual teachers, a noble cause, but it turns out that rather than embodying the ethical standards they advocate for, their director (also a co-founder) and several on the board of advisors/staff appe
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Thank you for the welcome. I had gone through TAC's replies on the subject, as well as several others, and I'm glad to see so much information is out there already. I really do hope anyone who was drawn into BK's institution finds these posts and breaks free. I'm new to NLP, relatively speaking, but a lot of people who have been around much longer are concerned about unethical
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Welcome to the CEI message board. We 'bump' older topics upwards to the front page all the time so that visitors can know what's available. The Byron Katie discussion was one of the most heavily disrupted, trolled conversations that took place on the message board. Heavy trolling is a sure sign that many consider a discussion valuable, and that many others want that same
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Hello everybody, new to the board. I have received training in NLP, and I can confirm that BK uses language patterns and pacing and leading, as well as metaphors and embedded suggestions. I'm not the world's best NLPer, and it took me a couple of times to read through some quotes to find the suggestions, because I'm used to looking for analog marking. However, I wanted to mentio
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Hi Leslie, I am not sure if you are aware of Jac O'Keefe/ how and what she teaches, but she seems to be somewhat of a small time byron katie. A friend of mine was part of the ASI and dropped out after discovering her behavior, some of which they read in transcripts of her live satsangs, which include her doing everything from pressuring participants to engage in masturbation, watching pornog
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Byron Katie like Mooji and all the other popular leaders in that field do attract people who have emotional issues dating back very often to dysfunctional childhood experiences.It is a huge potential market as huge is the number of potential customers! How many people have you met who had not had such wounding experiences? Tell me how many people who are on a genuine spiritual quest but are st
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I read one of Byron Katie's books, it was utter rubbish but I can see how it draws people in. It's aimed at our desire for pure escapism. Is your life a bit messy? Does it bother you? If you answered 'yes' to both these questions (as 99.9% of the general population would) then you can be led into the false (but seductive) belief that it's only your wrong-thinking that
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This is a long read. The mind you save may be your own. This is an analysis by The Antcult of a script of another guru's "teaching story". Go through it and see if any of it matches what you've seen Moo say or do. Re: Byron Katie (the Work) - hypnotic language patterns, metaphors Posted by: The Anticult Date: March 11, 2008 06:48AM -----------------------
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What are your experiences with life coaches or the life coaching industry? I have been fascinated with the subject for many years, and I have been especially interested in the cult of personality surrounding "Ultimate" coach Steve Hardison. I'm not sure if it's a cult or a pyramid scheme or neither, but it's so WEIRD to see all of the coaches entangled with him con
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(My opinion of the Advaita scene after reading years of damage reports) This is the terrifying implication of Advaita -- that self and other are one, distinctions between ourselves and other persons is illusion. If a seeker entered the world of Advaita teachings, satsangs and teachers, he or she is in a world where no one has inherent rights to decent treatment and where adoration (to alleg
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Furthermore… The ‘spiritual concept’ that pain and suffering is a necessary component to awakening should be enough to raise ALL red flags. “Byron Katie says, “You are your only hope, because we're not changing until you do. Our job is to keep coming at you, as hard as we can, with everything that angers, upsets, or repulses you, until you understand. We love you that much, whether we�
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We’ve all seen that one can be awake to Wholeness and yet that, in no way, means one is free from shadow or is somehow a balanced and decent human. One can be awake to the Oneness and still be creating delusions and, worse yet, harming others in the process. I have read/watched far too many of BK’s harmful advice she has given out. Some examples: “Boundaries are an act of selfishness,
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I literally joined this forum to discuss finding out that a co-worker of mind is a serious follower of Eckart Tolle. I used to read this forum a lot years ago so Tolle was already on my radar. This co-worker, who I have found to be an annoying dimwit generally, was all psyched about her trip to another city to see Tolle live on tour. So she is not a casual follower, and apparently doesn�
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QuoteThe Anticult That is from the confusion technique in hypnosis which Byron Katie uses, which has been described in this thread. That is the first step of this type of conversational hypnosis, to put people into a very confused mental state. It's good to have my observations validated.
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Here's a URL for something Anticult wrote. Second post from the top. Here is a list of posts Anti Cult wrote describing a sophisticated trance induction story telling method that goes by the name "nested loops". To do a search on the CEI message board that covers from discussions many years ago, always select "All Dates" before running your search.
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I've been studying a lot of YouTubes on hypnosis recently. There's a particular class of rapid inductions called "the confusion induction." I'm guessing that's how BK's "Is that true?" question works. The subject doubts their own perceptions, has nothing to replace them, and confusion results. After this point, they are malleable.
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A member of this message board who went by the name Anticult, quite knowledgeable in hypnotic trance induction techniques, made many contributions to this discussion of Byron Katie. You can read the posts here. After Anticult joined, this Byron Katie discussion was visited by many trolls. Without alert daily moderation, the discussion would've been disrupted. A troll invasion u
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Hello antman, Quote: -metaphysical things, like you always existed and can never die There is a lot of evidence out there to suggest that people do actually die. For example, both my parents died, I saw it with my own eyes, it was very real. However, a lot of religions believe in 'life after death', which brings people some comfort - we believe that one day we might meet our lov
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I was thinking about my history of reading ET, and listening to his talks, and decided to come post in this thread. I do own the BK book with The Work, I never got into it. I found The Work to be a waste of time. ET had an immediate effect though and I was reading TPON again and again. This was between 2010 and 2013. This influences me even today. The most helpful aspects of the book app
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I feel they are legit but as with, perhaps, many who awake to Wholeness suddenly they seem stuck in a typically Absolutist, bypassing ‘position’ that heavy denies our Humanness. While ‘The Work’ of Byron Katie has never resonated with me, as an approach I have heard of way too many instances of harmful advice she has given on this human plane. I’ll take an ordinary Human...any day...who kn
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Thanks for all the information. I have attended the 9-day School twice and also the Turnaround House twice more than 10 years ago. Shortly after my second stay at the turnaround House I got divorced from my wife. I was totally blind. I cant understand how I believed and trusted this BK person so much??? I was abused as a child by my parents in very extreme ways and was looking for
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The Anticult published material on this discussion thread that is very informative about Neuro Linguistic Programming and TAC discussed NLP in relation to Byron Katie. Here is an article about NLP - and the influence of Bandler and Grinder's work. Revisiting the Book That Inspired Pickup Artists, Cult Leaders--and Was Linked to a Murder Here is an informative quote: QuoteT
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