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Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Very good advice to immediately and permanently stop any communication with anyone who practices overt NLP-Hypnosis for profit. Especially anyone associated with the Tony Robbins companies, as they are constantly messing with your mind using very advanced techniques of persuasion. Of course these days people are doing it COVERTLY so its difficult to know who is doing what, which is their poin
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

and that is another sad example of a writer who is completely unable to "investigate" OneTaste as the Gawker article claims. (of course Gawker is doing it simply for 'clicks' for their business). One has to wonder, why only people with absolutely no experience and no training in the new "persuasion techniques" write these pieces on OneTaste, and other groups like
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

To test this, just take any unique phrase from any forum post, the older the better, and put it into quotes, and you will see they are not in Google. Example, search Google for this string "Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??" You will see that phrase appears in many other websites, that linked to the old thread, but does not appear from these forums. According to
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Master Po didn't need to buy 300 cheesy fake "degrees" to try to get some respect either! Master Po also didn't run a private for-profit Ikeda family corporation the size of Walmart. "Master" in those terms, is a leader who has "mastered" his discipline, like a martial arts master, or anyone who is a master in their field. But with SGI, Master is u
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Everyone needs to publicize that psychopathic filth by Neale Donald Walsh. On top of their psychopathic bullshit, guys like Neale Donald Walsh don't apply their bullshit to themselves. They are just mainly lining their own pockets with "donations". On a deeper level, clearly these guys like Neale Donald Walsh are trying to absolve themselves of their own GUILT for scamming p
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

These psychopaths selling the fake Law Of Attraction rationalize rape, crime, cancer, the Holocaust, genocide, mass starvation, earthquakes, fire, and anything else you can think of. Byron Katie: Nazi's burning Jewish babies was the work of "God"
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Its a very good point that coming out of a cult is not a mental illness...which makes sense. That is correct about the CBT/exposure, they have been shown to actually work for many people, in real studies. But as far as I know, there has been no studies of application to those coming out of cults at all. And below that are some excellent points that hopefully many people will read. What
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

There is always one amazing coincidence of these sects...their leaders earn many millions of dollars each year in personal income through their private "spiritual" corporations, and they don't pay any tax, and their families are all living high on the hog, off your money and labor. Byron Katie is running very sophisticated methods, as outline in the other threads. SGI-USA is m
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Its interesting, in many other sects and groups, like Byron Katie, etc, those who break away seem to have always had doubts and kept something in reserve. Example, as part of her process of Identity-fusion with her followers, Byron Katie demands they give her their wedding rings. Yep, Byron Katie takes the wedding rings of her female followers at her seminars. (and they don't get them back.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

You see how SGI and other sects and groups (like Byron Katie) deliberately target people who are vulnerable and desperate.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Oneness of Master and Disciple....that is a BRAINWASHING TECHNIQUE. What "oneness" means in the SGI context, is that the target (you) are supposed to wipe your brain clear, and then slavishly and mindlessly follow the Master. You believe everything he tells you, you replace your beliefs with his beliefs, and you make your mind "one" with his, or that is what you are suppos
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

and I am not making fun of anyone...anyone involved in any sort of modern cult believes some version of this. New Thought used to say it was the power of the Christ Consciousness...now they say its Quantum Physics, as that sounds more acceptable. These abstract concepts become a catch-all for "then a miracle happens". In reality, its mainly the Confirmation Bias, if one really tri
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

It was shown previously, how the supposed big gift by SGI to SGI-UK, was a big sham. You announce this big fake gift of $40 million, but all the money is totally controlled by HQ in Japan. Soka Gakkai International -- SGI-UK Charity Number 1104491 Its like someone saying, ok Hitch, here is a gift of 40 million bucks! Alert the media. So...we'll keep the 40 million in our own inve
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

www.thework.com/school-staff-jobpref.php Its not enough to work for free for Byron Katie, you are told to bring and use your own private property in the BKI private business, and use your cell phones, iPhones, macs, MacBooks, cars, etc. What about the minimum wage labor laws? What about using other people's equipment in a private business? But never mind that, as seen in the BKI r
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

SGI gets people to work for free. Many other sects do the same. Byron Katie makes millions, yet has figured out how to persuade others to work for her Corporation for free, doing jobs that should be paid.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Byron Katie is a multimillionaire, and BKI makes millions a month, certainly. They are a private for-profit corporation, owned and operated by Byron Katie and her husband, and it appears a few others. Below are the job descriptions for the Byron Katie "school staff". Again, these "Staff" are unpaid labor. Notice that each of these "jobs" are paid jobs in any fi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Yes, this is a huge thread with lots of good research, mixed with off-topic stuff, and some flaming, etc! But lots of good material in the thread. That text might be available offline on request from the author? also, try searching for the keywords in Google.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

QuoteShavoy How the heck can you "understand Sensei's heart"?? Be his "arms and legs"? "Chant to be Sensei's disciple", "Chant to fulfill Sensei's expectations of you".... Cleary those are techniques taken from mysticism...in the sense of becoming "One" with the object of worship or God, in this case the fake Godman Ikeda. Bu
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Why doesn't a real mental health professional write a book called something like. JUNK THERAPY. Sort of like the Junk Science books, but applied to mental health? He would not even have to name names and risk getting attacked, but just put together a way for the general public to sort facts of real therapy and self-help from these insane damaging sects, like Byron Katie. The book c
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

There is a wealth of information deconstructing Byron Katie Inc in this very large thread on BK going back a couple years. Its useful to view Byron Katie Inc from the viewpoint of an actual mental health provider, who does actual therapy with real people with real problems, in the real world. Also, its essential to view BKI from the point of view of a massive corporate business, making
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Just for the record, Cliff is not being picked on. Like all these other groups that operate the same way, guys like Cliff get lured in, and spend a lot of money as victims. Then they get into the racket themselves, and start making money. That is the line they cross. When a person starts to sell the "Masters" techniques, and make money from it, and promote it all over the internet,
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

If a leader is broadcasting these kind of weird Stories, while people "meditate" and visualize, then of course it is a form of hypnosis. Hypnosis is just focused internal attention. Its not the hypnosis that is the problem, but the verbal and visual messages in the hypnosis sessions, and the Suggestions that are being implanted with repetition. Will look into this more. But read
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

If a leader is broadcasting these kind of weird Stories, while people "meditate" and visualize, then of course it is a form of hypnosis. Hypnosis is just focused internal attention. Its not the hypnosis that is the problem, but the verbal and visual messages in the hypnosis sessions, and the Suggestions that are being implanted with repetition. Will look into this more. But rea
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Byron Katie is already occupying Wall St. With her millions of dollars of investments. Byron Katie is the 1% in terms of personal income. Byron Katie is a capitalist entrepreneur CEO of Byron Katie International, making millions and millions of dollars in income for...guess who...Byron Katie. (and hubby what's his name). Byron Katie thinks greed is good...for her. Byron Katie star
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

How do you know you have helped many? Where is the measurement? There is no measurement or regulation of the Byron Katie techniques, its the wild west, and many many people are getting badly hurt. Untrained unlicensed people should not be conducting "therapy" or general mind-screwing on people. They can do a lot of damage. The reality of what Byron Katie has really done, and wh
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

A note on the Tony Robbins anecdotes and endorsements. Many people who do those endorsements, are not telling the truth, often to themselves. There have been many "Tony Robbins success stories" from people, who turn out to be bankrupt up to their eyeballs, and just telling BS. Lying. James Arthur Ray was like this. One could list dozens of others. So they just fabricate it. Als
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Ah yes. Stever Robbins. NLP Trainer to wannabe cult leaders. And you better believe that advanced NLP Trainers have gone and carefully studied and NLP modeled (copied) the exact techniques used by the most successful (richest) cult leaders in the world. They study it systematically, and make their own private manuals. As once that have that kind of knowledge condensed, they can market it
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Whenever a Guru gets in trouble, they always always leak something about the Guru being "ill" and needing prayers. Always. Its a transparent attempt to evoke sympathy from their followers, or to distract them. How many of us, when we are sick or ill, ask our family, friends, and co-workers to help us in that way? No one. A normal person does the opposite, and says they are doing ok
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Many sects use that technique, to try and claim false association with an organization. Byron Katie did the exact same thing trying to make it sound like she spoke at Harvard, when in fact she spoke at some church across the street from Harvard Yard. Same thing with the UN. They rent a public room for their followers to have a meeting, and try to make it sound like they addressed the UN Gene
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"