Its very obvious that Byron Katie attended the EST (Erhard Seminars Training) and/or early Landmark(1985) which were "it" back in the 1970's and early 1980's, and then modified it, as well as combining it with other techniques. Note how the official fictional Byron Katie Story(TM) timeline has her saying she was "awakened" by a magical cockroach in 1986. Ever
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Someone has come up with a link from a Werner Erhard devotee, saying that Byron Katie was an EST/Landmark trainer. 1976 Book: EST Making Life Work by Vikki Brock QUOTE: "Byron Katie was also a former seminar leader." This has been raised before. Byron Katie- EST - Landmark Forum - PSI Seminars - The Work -1986 Byron Katie (The Work) - Landmark/Forum/EST connectio
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Its not appropriate to attempt to make any comparison between registered psychologists and licensed MD's and psychiatrists, and New Wage "spiritual" con-artist salesmen like Byron Katie / James Ray/ Werner Erhard EST. That is all those guys are advanced SALESMEN at best, and very manipulative cultish leaders, that have destroyed many lives to turn themselves into multimillionaire
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In terms of the legal contracts they force people to sign before attending a LGAT seminar. Of course, VERBALLY they say the opposite to the contract. So a fun thing to do, is to turn the tables. Write down what they say, and cross out the other parts of the contract. Have them sit down, and explain every clause in the contract, and if they discount a part, cross it out. Then tell them yo
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@@walter1963 Please stay around these threads, if you can. There is a ton of hypno-NLP info here, but we need more. And name some names if you can! Stever Robbins has been named, he's a buddy of Byron Katie too. Tad James & Co have been named too. So naming names in the NLP-hypno world, while explaining their techniques is very important. There are hundreds of them out ther
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@walter1963 You've obviously been there and got the t-shirt. Senior Trainers of a guy like Richard Bandler, can tie people in "loops" that they are literally not aware of. There is evidence in this thread, that Byron Katie copied techniques from the same area, and from the Ericksonian hypnosis area. There are many hard facts in this thread, showing how she literally copied s
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lack of time, but these are complex and important areas. Pain/pleasure, at root comes from Behaviorism, and of course is used in advertising. But its taken to an extreme psychological level in the LGAT seminars, by their persuasion experts. They find your pain, your WOUND. Then they stick a knife in it, and magnify your pain, and twist the metaphorical knife. Then they try to make you
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Its absolutely accurate that people do NOT need any kind of license in certain areas, to practice therapy, or psychotherapy, or counseling. They can even paste silly internet diplomas on their wall, and charge whatever they want, in certain areas. They can do anything they want in certain areas, that is the scary thing. They can charge $300 an hour if they want. In other areas where they canno
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One hates to bring the name of Dr. Milton Erickson into this nightmare of manipulation, but unfortunately many people have created a GROTESQUE PERVERSION his knowledge, which was used in clinical hypnosis, with the intent of helping people. This has been discussed in great detail in the Byron Katie thread, as she also uses those same techniques. Everyone is using them these days. Its an abso
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GuruSwamiG Online Ashram www.guruswamig.com One new thing they are trying, is the Online Ashram, which is obviously an oxymoron. But you can see a series of Customer Qualifying steps here. www.guruswamig.com/orientation.html Then only after they have checked out your submissiveness, then they "invite" you to join, which is the same language an Byron Katie. They love the word &quo
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Oh man, invisible shoes. Nice metaphor. $25 for a dollar store item. Nice door opener. Of course, one can assume with the shoe order you may get a brochure and coupons for the Steven Sashen... Instant Advanced Meditation Course, AdvancedMeditation.com, the Anti-Guru Blog, discovering Quantum Wealth, www.delightenment.com, etc, etc. And of course "private coaching" services fo
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Its interesting on a new Guruphiliac post, in the comments, they say that ole Byron Katie... QUOTE: "she threw my pal under the bus in a dispute he was having with.... He was one of her earliest teachers, but she very dishonestly disavowed any association with him." Now of course, since its all cloak and dagger, and they refuse to name names, once can only speculate. One can s
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By the way, from seeing Liz Gilbert on Oprah, at least at that time, she appeared to be a glassy-eyed true believer, who was deeply programmed. The amazing thing is the general public has no idea that there are many people out there, who are highly skilled in taking fairly naive and innocent people, and very quickly taking them in, and deeply programming them in advanced and subtle ways. Its to
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anyone can search Google for: pdf "a cry in the desert" "byron katie"
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Its almost unbelievable they can get away with such brazen lying and distortion. The book A Cry In The Desert was self-published, edited, and promoted by Byron Katie, through her company. Publisher: The Work Foundation Inc. (1996) So they try to push the published lies off onto Christin Lore Weber, as they know she is probably not going to say anything. It would be interesting to see what
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Those kinds of book publishers only care about selling books. They have all the demographics worked out. They know that auto-biographies that are juiced-up with BS sell. They know that women of a certain age seem to buy up these kinds of books. So they make the book about FOOD, "love", and religion. These publishers know that people buy up books on those topics like crack-cocaine
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And of course all of this was exposed last year in these threads!! Byron Katie (the Work) Siddha Yoga, Marta Szabo, EAT PRAY LOVE helpme2times QUOTE: "I KNEW Gilbert was into SYDA when I read Eat Pray Love! She kept the guru anonymous in the book, but from the various descriptions of the group, it was so obvious it was SYDA. And it was laughable how she painted Gurumayi as some
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In fact, those books were self-published by Byron Katie, and edited and owned by Byron Katie. The facts are in this thread, and in the books, lets dig them up. In fact, Byron Katie went over EVERY WORD and SENTENCE in that book, that is shown earlier in this thread. It might even be mentioned in the book itself. So its more brazen lies. Lies about lies. They are trying to call Christin Lo
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Probably one of the reasons that Poolman is so angry, is the fact that his "plan" is failing horribly...again. He probably only does have very few followers, and only a few of them are paying actual money for their courses and programs. He has made many errors. One of them is targeting young people, who are easier to manipulate, but as he's found out, they don't have any
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By the way, this process can be very effective when an aquaintance or "friend" is pestering you about attending the LGAT seminar they are involved with. (PSI, Landmark, Byron Katie, MKP...) The "friend" repeatedly asks you to attend _____ LGAT seminar, as it "changed their life", as they are programmed to do this, and make sales for the company. The response ca
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On further reflection, there is something extremely disturbing about The ManKind Project, the more one looks into it. In the MKP New Warrior Training Adventure waiver, they mention "death" 5 times. death, death, death, death, death. 5x. (see below) Why? The reality is that many men who attend these events, could have past trauma they have not had treated by a licensed profession
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The Mankind Foundation Also Known As: MKF Physical Address: Fishers, IN 46038 1744 _____________________ For a supposed "charity foundation"... where is the IRS Form 990 for The ManKind Foundation, which shows where all the money is going? Why have MKF-MKP refused to openly post that document on their website, so people can see where the money/millions have gone? Why do the
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Notice how these very damaging LGAT seminars all use similar methods in how they damage their own customers, as proven in the waivers they force their own people to sign before attending their LGAT seminar. MKP ManKind Project Participant Agreements: Assumption of Risk, Indemnification & Release New Warrior Training Adventure (link to release waivers) James Ray International:
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As far as Reality Therapy, there is some very harsh criticism of aspects of it at Amazon.
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This is not an endorsement of Reality Therapy... ....but just look how its the opposite to Byron Katie. Byron Katie is the great disconnector, she wants to disconnect you from your family, your mind, even your sense of self and reality itself, and most importantly, disconnect you from your money. And the main difference of Reality Therapy, is that RT is probably not a front for a New Age cul
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Unfortunately, that person makes the typical error of only looking at the superficial ADVERTISING by Byron Katie, and taking it at face value. In fact, Reality Therapy by William Glaser is the opposite to Byron Katie. In Reality Therapy, you problem-solve new behaviors. Byron Katie is about installing delusions in people, and denying reality, and losing the moon of reality. Byron Katie gets
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@ Sandman, You've exposed many of the precise cultic techniques being used by Bernard Poolman. Poolman has learned these techniques from copying various other cults and sects he's been involved with over the years. Examples: - internal group confessions to maximize control by the leader. - diet control - sleep deprivation - control of personal appearance of followers - fi
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By the way, if some posts seem direct and blunt, that is on purpose. The Byron Katie system is extremely dangerous, and one of the main reasons for that is that Byron Katie Inc are very clever, and have been able to soft-sell their material very effectively. So a very serious WARNING has to be sent out. The people that BKI directly TARGET are those who are in the most pain, and who are the
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What Byron Katie is doing appears to be very simple, but in fact its very complex. Its been detailed in these threads. The sham phrase of Byron Katie..."is it true" has been explained as just a gimmick to lure people in, in a bait & switch. The Work is a bait & swiitch. The 4 Questions and a Turnaround bait & switch explained. If a person seems to want to d
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Here's a thread on that subject. IDEAS on how to KICK-OUT byron katie from your Mind-Soul-Life forever
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