Dave speaking against the seeking of justice So when we figuratively ate from that tree of the knowledge of good and evil, we moved into concepts of justice, which should have been left to God alone. Dave, you certainly give across a very confusing message. No wonder your followers don't know where they stand on any particular issue. For example, in the above passage you say that mank
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Dave wrote: "A couple of days ago, as people may remember, Malcolm wrote an unprecedented apology, for which we were very grateful... Craig followed it up with another attack on us..." Curious, I thought I was fielding an "attack" on me. Dave previously wrote: "...these are people with a type of perfectionist mentality, who crave an ideal world where all the bad g
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Dave wrote: "Now I'm likely to derail this thing even further with a thought that I shared with Cherry yesterday. It's about growing old, and how people often return to some point in the past when they get senile. We both agreed that we find it hard to think of ourselves as being as old as we are, and that if we became senile tomorrow we would probably think of ourselves as being
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Seeing as how Tofferer is reading what we say, and Dave likes to comment on it let's revisit his claims that WE are the ones who want to "rule" the world. Dave writes: "Mmmm.... I feel you've missed the love and hate bit, Chris... but there may be some link between what they love and what they hate that is not based on opposites. My own feeling with regard to the lin
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Dave is feeling "ruled" For some like Malcolm and Craig in particular (and probably Rick and David Lowe as well), there is a desire to actually rule that world SOURCE: JC "flame" thread (so much for "resolving" differences) Are questions from outsiders interfering with your desire to "rule" the world Dave? How odd that you would attribute a desire to
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Jesse wrote: "They say curiosity killed the cat. It's hard not to wonder who we think will be the antiChrist but like Casey said, what would we do with that information? Humans have a tendency to strain at knats and swallow camels so even if we did know who the anitChrist would be we would probably just focus on how to wipe him out instead of learning the bigger spiritual lessons that
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Dave writes: "Actually, Casey, Anita has "responded" (in the way that all Rick Ross posters respond, which is by quoting us over there and responding over there, where they feel "safe"). It was a surprisingly civil response:" And, curiously enough it is the same way that JC's respond to us. "So now I guess we just sit and wait to see if she comes
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Dave does not even bat an eyelid to this association: Dave is correct in rejecting the conscience as some kind of ultimate test. There is no ultimate test, because we are not created to know good and evil but to do the will of God. This was said by a promoter of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I wonder what dear old Dietrich would think of such a silly sentence? “Duh, we are not supposed to know the
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Dave reacts to Josh having an independent thought: "Josh and I seem to have a problem with understanding both what socialism is and what freeganism is (and perhaps what capitalism is too)! Josh says that, in his opinion, the UK is much more socialist than the U.S. But then he says that "all capitalism means is that we are allowed to own our own property and the choice to do with
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I liked the way Josh isolated the issue of consumerism from capitalism and pointed out how consumer demands create waste more than supermarket policies, although the correlation between wealthy consumers and waste could no doubt be linked to big cities and big business (capitalism) which generates the wealth that gives consumers the power to be picky. But Josh's earlier comments about cul
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Dave writes: "P.S. Johanna, I didn't have the time to read all that you posted. If you keep it shorter next time, people will probably read more of what you have to say." Dave writes a 450 word reply to something he didn't have the time to finish reading. It really is just another example of the shameless arrogance that defines a man who compulsively needs to provide al
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Dave teaching his followers that without HIM they will fail because he brings "God's protection (see "Divine Authority") If you rebel against a "right" leader, you rebel against God, and he will lift his anointing and protection from you. The reason you would fail would not be because I'm so special, but just that any kingdom divided against itself will not sta
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Dave offering some advice on how we should behave after I asked a question of Tofferer: But what Craig and company do over at the Rick Ross forum is to attack the 'FOLLOWERS' and even the non-followers who have anything good to say in defence of the Jesus Christians. And the result is usually that they lose another opportunity to cause division, and only cause more unity between us an
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Dave bearing all? about his money But more than that, the Jesus Christians are not a charity. We (almost) never have asked for donations to help with our charity work. Instead, we fund that almost entirely from our own pockets. What we ask for on the streets is a tiny donation toward the cost of printing the material that we are handing to people. What you see is what you get, and what you donat
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Grace naively exposes Dave by saying: That's part of the beauty of Jesus' life and teachings. When people say that Jesus did not mean for us to take his teachings literally, then we can say because of his example, "Then why did he and his followers live that kind of lifestyle if he didn't mean for anyone to?" Jesus showed us by example the type of life we need to lead,
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Tofferer forms his judgment from afar: I was finally able to view the RR forums. I am quite unimpressed. Doesn't seem to matter what thread it is, there is nothing positive about that forum. I am of the opinion that a vast majority of the people there have an axe to grind and ultimately don't care whom it is against. I saw enough spins on the facts to make a normal person puke. I must
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WREST ..the "hit'n'run" speed demon in a wheel-chair being in the same category as the "vicious and premeditated" assaults Cherry nobly suffered in silence from a two-year old... This is SUCH a crack up!! It is interesting to note that Dave appears to be taking shelter BEHIND Cherry with these whoppers, as he is attributing them to her. I
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Thanks Jack for your comments. The point about an honest mistake, is they generally occur when one is unsure of something. The trouble here is that Dave was challenging my account of an incident and presenting a story with certain "facts" he claimed I omitted and which proved me of deliberately twisting the truth. I then proved his story a verifiable lie. In the general context
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Jesse's response to Dave's "confession" that he was factually mistaken in his efforts to prove me guilty of twisting the truth: "Craig has a horrible way of twisting everything you say or do, Dave, into the most evil corrupt thing possible. It's WAY over exaggerated. I wonder how much of it he believes himself and if that's made him somewhat delusional.&quo
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I have been wondering why the JC's are so stuck on bin raiding. Could it be because with every full bin of out of date, or damaged food their faith in God is strengthened due to them thinking "God" shows which bins are the best to raid? It is similar to the pentecostal tongue talkers who like to show some sort of sign to unbelievers that God is real, especially when it is obvious
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Joe has an a moment of enlightenment ... for others of course Recently I was reading through Galatians, where Paul is telling the church there that circumcision is no longer necessary to receive the grace that comes through Jesus Christ, and that those pressuring them to do so only wanted to glory in their flesh, wherewith no man can rightly glory. As I was reading the chapter, I couldn't
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Dave writes: "I have taken to treating Craig's posts lately in much the same way that I treat Malcolm's, i.e. barely taking the time to read them, if I even do that." Come on Dave. You jump on the opportunity to shoot me down if you could. I can understand you squinting through one eye at stuff that proves you to be the liar that you are, and can imagine that you had your
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Casey the "wannabe" martyr said: In some ways I view the tribulation as a bit of a privilege, like it's the final mission which God is asking us to participate in. It's not just a matter of surviving, but getting the job done as well. I think the hardest parts of the tribulation will mostly be for a world that never wanted to take Jesus seriously, whereas people sincerely t
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Dave the "spin doctor" recently spun Just to clarify, Wife Swap is entertainment. It's called reality TV, but that's not absolute. The film crew had a schedule to keep, and so Roland was basically dragged off to a job, posed for a few pictures, and then told that it was time to leave and get back to other filming. It was the producers who apparently told the audience that R
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Fran writes: "Anita seems to be having some difficulty in answering the questions I posed to her on another thread in this section. Here are the questions I asked: How do your actions line up with the Quaker testimony of Integrity? What about Peace and Community?.... " etc, etc." While you are tossing those stones, Fran, how do your actions line up to the same standa
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Last night I watched the two episodes of "Wife Swap" available at the link Zueszor posted previously. I have to say that I am really glad that they did that show because it gives a clear window into the JC world. It was good to see Daniel again. He has grown so much and obviously came across as an intelligent good natured, and gentle child; and, Like Debbie, I have become more concer
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After that little bit of interesting light reading on excuses that antisocial personality types can make I thought it would be good to get back to Dave's silly cliams about PI being David Lowe. While David McKay is defying David Lowe's legal demand that he remove slanderous comments against him, on the basis of a bluff that he can prove everything he said against this person is true,
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In the midst of all this bluff and bravado by Dave McKay regarding his upcoming court appearane, I just had to post this up here Thinking Errors Commonly Associated In Antisocial Behaviors 1. Excuse Making - Excuses are made by the antisocial for anything and everything. Whenever held accountable for actions, excuses are often given. Excuses are a means of finding a reason to justi
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Response to Dave's post from moneysavingexpert.com I am also a member of the Christian community that Sue and Rols are a part of... Should read the "Leader, Anointed Apostle, Captain of the Ship... etc." That is whether or not what Sue and Rols are doing is really work or not. It's convenient to call them beggars, if we just want to insult them. But could we just as
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Casey writes: "Everytime I read something from Craig, it becomes more and more clear what a liar he is when it comes to Dave in particular, and the JC's in general. He tries very hard to make himself sound reasonable, but in the end he's usually leaving some part of the story out, or making up something to add to the story, or twisting something around to make people in
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