Dave said: "It has taken quite some time, but this could be just what we need to move this whole business away from the dishonesty that has characterised so much of the gossip, and into an arena where there will be some accountability on the part of those who have spoken out so strongly against us." This is such a glaring example of Dave's shameless projection that it deserv
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QuoteyasminI don't quite understand why no one on the JC forum has made any comment on Joe's request that his younger brother posts his personal communications on a public forum. I think it is because promoting Dave's interests have become more important than their own, even to the expense of their own family relations. But that is my take. It is yet another question for Dave t
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Dave charging in blindly said: We picked up not one but TWO letters from David Lowe's lawyers at the post office this week. He is threatening to take legal action against us if we don't take down everything that we have said about him on this forum. It has taken quite some time, but this could be just what we need to move this whole business away from the dishonesty that has character
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David writes: (Another journey into Dave's twisted mind) "Hi Brian, Welcome back. Haven't seen you for quite some time. I realise that XXX is getting quite angry about the fact that more and more Quakers are waking up to his involvement in the Rick Ross forum, and so obviously he needs all the help he can get from someone like you, to convince me that he is not Private
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Hi Jack, I would suggest that the wider community does have boundaries. The wider community requires its citizens to observe basic standards and those who fail to comply can expect to be asked to leave areas where they are creating a nuisance, face a fine, or even be arrested if they put their feet on a train seat, refuse to turn down their stereo, pick a fight etc. It may seem free a
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Dave speculating on what type of punishment he can mete out to those who have sinned Pain seems to be the most humane and speedy form of human punishment. We could whip them strongly, without doing any damage to their teeth, brain, or spine. And it would all be over in just a few minutes. Also, this is a punishment which we ourselves could take without serious disruption to other important ta
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Dave wrote: "Jesus made some excellent observations about systemites. He said that they make heroes of past spiritual leaders ("prophets") while stoning the present ones. I think that is what is happening at the moment amongst Friends. It doesn't mean that there is never any truth in their criticisms of us, nor does it mean that there are no sincere people who get caught up
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Simon writes: "What do people think about the idea of pacifisim as it relates to violence used by words?" It seems Dave is happy to equate literal violence with the war of words he indulges in, as he replies with military references from the Bible and describes "the truth" as his "weapon" for "pulling down strongholds". Dave replies: "
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WRESTOh my God, Apostate!! Tell me it's NOT true....! (Gasp!) No surely not!!! You are thoughtlessly going down the same dangerous path as I??? (....in wilfull preference to being led up the garden path by David....) You can be the false prophet and I can be the anti-Christ, or I can be the false prophet and you can be the anti-christ. We can toss a coin to decide o
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The "peace" which surpasses all understanding has descended upon AlAnthony after reading Dave's teachings With greater understanding of Revelation I feel an air of peace that has come over me now. These pieces of scum that call themselves followers of Christ will pay big time. God will spew them out of his mouth and vengeance will be poured upon the earth. It seems his "
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Dave saying nothing to stop his daughter putting herself in harms way Christine said: I think I can speak for Robin and myself. We both want to stay, as we feel that is what God wants us to do at this time, which means that we are saying we are prepared to die. That is a choice we both made individually. We've never had someone in the community die before. God's been good to us in
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Ross said: Yes, Craig, it is terribly sad to witness the "depths" of dishonesty in which you are now prepared to go in order to exact your revenge on Dave in particular and us in general. Only people as depraved as yourself are likely to believe you, however, as your mad raves become obvious to most sane people. Seeing as you chose to go down the same path as Malcolm, you are recei
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Kimono writes: "A woman has said that she cannot trust the Jesus Christians. I don't know who this woman is, but if someone is your friend and you don't trust them, what would be the most appropriate course of action, particularly for people who profess to hold beliefs about the importance of integrity, peace, and community? And what about if the person is someone you have n
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If putting principles before personalities means I come across as a angry, Bible hating, bitter, atheistic, anti-religious zealot who is way too nice to DM... so be it. Something to think on: If anyone says, "I am living in the light," but hates a brother or sister, that person is still living in darkness.
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Zueszor, I prefer that you not refer to me as "The Apostate". My username is simply "apostate". I feel by putting the word "The" in front of my username you are negatively labelling me. You can choose to say I am playing word semantics here. I do not care. That is how I feel about what you are doing. If we are all about equality here then at least use my usern
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Dave writes: "I think there is strong support for protecting some people from hearing things that are going to make it harder for them to move ahead spiritually. Paul says, for example, to mark those who cause division, and to have nothing to do with them." If Dave sees it as his job to "protect" people from even hearing certain things, I don't know why he is
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Just saw this post from Casey. Thanks for all that great sharing, Kirstie and Bettina. It's great to hear that you are both feeling so inspired and it reminds me about what it means to be "getting back to your first love". I think sometimes people get this idea that they can see something dangerous which we cannot see and so they feel a need to "help" us even i
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Zueszor, are you aware that you pretty much posted an email you sent to me privately along with your response to my rejection of you calling Dave a demon? I concur again with muppet and ask for you to tone it down. Your outburst will be all that Dave focuses on. You, in your zeal to challenge David, have become his shield. Bible verses mean nothing to him. He has trained his followers to sim
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QuoteBlackhat You are wielding power and control with your access to Quaker private records of attendees to meetings, and you are using it to silence questioning, even to the point of publishing the email address you found listed. (That was way below the belt, and I ask that you delete it. I'm sure everyone on the mailing list is behind me in that request.) I believe this is why so many Qua
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A new disciple mirroring forth brightly the "us" and "them" mentality taught by the JC's. I still go to Church on a Sunday and house group on a Wednesday. However, Since learning the teachings of Jesus and started to live by them I feel so different about church. Not so much the church i go to but about "Churchies", I see so many around me and i was once one
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Dave responding to Glen questioning him on whether EVERY word we say here is a "lie" For example, you are asking a question (not quite the same as making an accusation, so I have to be careful not to say that) which seems to assume that someone has said that every word that is said on the RR forum is a lie. But did anyone actually say that? Let me answer Glen for you Dave... using
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Dave wrote: "I woke up early this morning and was thinking that it has been more than two weeks since David posted on the Rick Ross forum. I thought that it would be good for me to acknowledge that, and to thank David and any other Friends who may have had a part in getting David to refrain from posting over there. Unfortunately, I was a little late, as he has just posted again, a few hour
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Casey wrote: Craig wrote: Responses would suggest people are enjoying the "depth" of my contributions. "Yes, out of the hundreds of lives that have supposedly been destroyed by Dave and the JC's, it certainly does look like Malcolm and Jack are enjoying the "depth" of Craig's posts." Look again Casey. By the way, don't you think its fu
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Thanks for the expression of support guys. Much appreciated. Dave to the NSW Quakers: And I will state once again, my willingness to close down this whole section of the Jesus Christian web site, if there can be talks between ourselves and other Friends which would result in that awful minute being overturned... the one which says that my beliefs and the beliefs of my wife and all other
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Ross writes: "Here's a good example of politically correct language used to hide the truth: Collateral Damage. = The Killing of innocent civilians(or even members of ones own army) during a military operation which was supposed to target enemy soldiers or military targets. Grace: The license to commit any sin you please because afterward you believe you will be forgiven for
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Dave on "trust" "Her argument was that Friends need to trust one another, and she, for one, does not trust Jesus Christians. If she cannot trust us, then that justifies certain actions being taken to protect her from us." That should be a line of reasoning Dave would understand because he teaches that trust is something followers have for leaders, wives for husbands etc
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Some responses to Dave's continual slander of ex-members Casey writes: "Over on the RR forum Craig has been dominating the scene with pages and pages of posts." Doing my best to counter Dave! Casey: "It's hardly worth responding to the accusations he makes as they've all been responded to before..." I must have missed that. Please tell us ag
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Dave, did Sue and Roland do the wife swap show as a type of evangelical "free work"?
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Some thoughts on violence, force and control. It was interesting to see Dave finally realising that when he felt gossiped against by Quakers that this could be compared with physical violence. Dave seems to have had some trouble working through that association, so lets look at some of the issues of violence, force and control as taught/practised in the JC's which might help Dave better a
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Zueszor. Hate to be a "devil's advocate" yet again... but I think it is a massive leap of logic to suggest dave is selling kidneys. Still waiting on a response to this question Dave: I would also like to know what your views on domestic violence are. I understand that your time in the COG's exposed you to "justified" violence against women. After forming your
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