Dave "thanking" Ash's parent Here is the text of the story in the Cyprus paper, kindly provided for us by Nick, who is over there. Thank you, Nick. You like these media stories don't you Dave.
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Glad you are back on the board Sword. Dave "encourages" kidney donation by his members According to US-born group founder, Dave McKay, although encouraged, kidney donation was not a requirement. How does he do this? (rhetorical) He gets them to wear bright red T shirts BEFORE they donate which says 10 REASONS TO DONATE and lists them He uses Bible verses to sway young idea
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An example of Dave's false prophet status This was prophesied 15 - 20 years ago. THE FALL OF AMERICA 1. Within the next few years the United States will be suddenly and almost totally destroyed, in a surprise military attack by the Soviet Union. 2. Russia will not occupy the U.S. after the battle (possibly because of nuclear contamination). 3. Survivors of the holocaust will fle
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and Ash makes 19 .... On Thursday of this week, Ash finally succeeded in donating a kidney to Sandi Sabloff, the woman that Kate and Nick stopped him from donating to in Toronto, Canada, last year. The surgeons said that the match beat all the odds by being closer than a match between mother and son, and the operation was a total success. Kate and Nick turned up at the last minute, despit
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Hi Malcolm, There is a lot of typing involved in transcribing old letters, but not much "creativity" really. I need to get that pro gramme which reads text from a scan! I knew you would get a kick out of the references to you. It must be flattering to have a whole idea named after you, although I am sure theological scholars could find a lot of other sources for the idea of a r
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The following collective response was the first written after the final expulsion on Sunday 3 May, 1998 and it covers a long list of lies and false accusation that Dave had written to friends. Sorry it is so long, there was a lot to respond to. Hello all, Craig, Kevin & co here. May 14, It has been our intention to keep the details of the split with the community to a minimum with the o
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My reply to Dave's decision to leave the community... Craig here, April 10, 1998, Friday 10 am. G'day guys. I suppose I should start this letter off with the results of our meeting with regard to Dave's letter about separate communities and his call for any people to follow him in his decision to leave the community. We are all sad to hear that Dave wants to leave. We would l
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Another letter from ten years ago which proves that Dave was the one who initiated The Split. Dear brothers and sisters, Dave here 1 pm Tuesday, 7 April, 1998 Cherry and I just returned from reading the mail. ... If the apologies offered by the key figures there were genuine I cannot understand how letters from both Donna and Darren have come through, continuing to argue the same points wit
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Dave still hot under the collar due to rational debate about evolution occurring on his forum I get a lot of people who tell me that unless I read their books I cannot say that I have an open mind. But I say that it is up to them to convince me in their own words (and the fewer the better) that their books really do have something worth me spending many hours reading them. I don't kno
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Ross defending Dave's elite Apostlehood (snippet taken from above letter) "attempts by anyone to demand spiritual equality with Dave at this stage are proud and arrogant," Amazingly, it does not even enter Ross's mind that the above statement is in itself an attempt to ensure that a "proud and arrogant" stance continues unchallenged by any who believe in equa
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Today marks the 10th anniversary of the Split in the JC community, so I thought to post one of the MANY emails that led to it. By the way Malcolm you get a mention... even though you were not there. I will try and highlight the funny outlandish bits. It is LONG, so if you do not want to read it just skip over it, but for the sake of posterity here it is: Monday 6/4/98 THIS LETTER R
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Fran blames the victim for not being more understanding of the perpetrator and writes: "It does seem quite significant that David Lowe and other Australian Friends have not made efforts to arrange dialogue between David Lowe and Dave and Cherry. As Dave points out, if David Lowe is NOT Private Eyes, then all it would take is a meeting face to face to clarify that. The fact that he does not
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Dave tossing a hissy fit Okay, Lisa, you got me. I am ignorant of science. In fact, I'm so ignorant I don't even understand what you have said about these salamanders. I asked a question about why we have not found jillions of missing links, and you tell me that there is some kind of a salamander in California that (hang on, I gotta check to see how you put it...) here it is: Qu
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I would have to agree with the point that abusive narcissistic leaders do learn to adapt to the therapeutic questioning style they are subjected to and then to emulate it in their continued abuse of others. They become "slicker".
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Lisa Simpson wrote: "Did you know that you can be a conservative Christian, and believe that our world is billions of years old? You can even believe in evolution and be a Christian. There is no conflict between modern science and the Bible." Grumpy old Elyas who tells us all that "Jesus loves Osama" responds to Lisa "Did you know that you can be a conservative Chr
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Ezra1 writes about Als report of a church simulating Jonestown's cordial drinking: "I am still trying to imagine why this particular church would think it was a good idea to compare their set-up scenario with Jonestown. On top of that, to make it seem like people are really "laying down their lives" by swallowing some concoction. To me, and I could be totally alone in say
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Hi Blackhat, To clarify/extrapolate... Dave expelled his youngest son in India just before Christmas in 1994, because he insisted on the right to make his own policy on what sweets his children could and couldn't eat. He was given just 15 minutes to pack his bags and leave with his three children (one less than a year old). Dave withheld their tickets and passport, and as he escorted
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Malcolm wrote: "How nice of Cherry to diplomatically disguise her dissatisfaction towards David ... I'm "sure" being disowned by three out of the four of her own children... is just the sort of "exciting" life, that in her youth, she always avowed to have with David...." I don't think Cherry's children have disowned her, Malcolm. My understanding i
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Dave getting upset at someone not following his grammar rules I have always been critical of people putting down posters on any forum because of their poor spelling or grammar. People can't help it if they lack education. But laziness is a different matters. And arrogance. And pride. If you are too proud to spell "with" as "with" (instead of wif), then it has nothing t
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Good post Malcolm, an dyes, you make some good points about me saying Ross is the "sex professor". Yes, I also saw Dave's mask of kindness and compassion slip when he was talking with Kim about the chicken.
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"I have noticed a few women staring at my crotch ( not that there's anything unusual there to stare at)." Guess who said this on the masturbation thread. That's right, it was the sex professor... Ross. ROTFLMAO
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Dave writes: "This practice of "demonising" the "enemy" is one that Quakers have often recognised in others. It is how prejudices of every sort operate, and yet here they are using the same tactic on us." Funny how Dave can make this accusation on a thread that demonises Anita Walker, and while he justifies prejudicial gossip against me on the basis of "mar
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Dave, while playing the victim card, said: I have had a fairly stressful day today, trying to comfort Cherry because of stuff that she has had to put up with from the Quakers over the past year. What they have done to her is pretty near unforgiveable, and still some of them have the audacity to say that they like her; it's just her husband they can't stand. Yeah, sure, like they like A
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Casey writes: "I just visited the "controversies" thread and think I finally figured out what Anita was so worked up about; there just isn't enough controversy! I mean, just about everything on that thread is soooooo oooooold. I couldn't believe. What's wroooooong with us?" Would you like a list, Casey? ... because it would begin with the fact that Dave
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I do not approve of them donating kidneys because of concerns about the peer pressure to do so that exists within their group. How many is that now? Whatever the number it is disproportionate given the size of the group.
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To restate: Zueszor, as I have just asked Josh to challenge Dave on his name calling behavior as it does not help further any rational debate I am forced to challenge you in the same way regarding your comments to Casey.
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You "meant no offense", and yet, here you are being offensive by comparing the color of someone skin to Dave's feces. It is offensive Zeuszor. It is not about what is politically correct or what is not. If you knew someone was going to cry "racist" why set yourself up? Why complicate matters further? Why not simply make the point without the insults? Your insensitiv
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Zueszor, as I have just asked Josh to challenge Dave on his name calling behavior as it does not help further any rational debate I am forced to challenge you in the same way regarding your comments to Casey. I personally find it offensive , and racist, that you compare Joe's skin color to whatever hovers around Dave's backside. You are going over the top AGAIN.
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Josh wrote: "After that in our conversation, he kept calling me fundi and a monkey (for some reason I don't know). I told him he could go ahead and call me whatever he liked because I didn't really care since one names as good as another. But as we talked it did bother me a little, not that I was being called by names that weren't my name, but because his intention was to
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Dave comments (http://welikejesus.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17757#17757) that when he said"...these are people with a type of perfectionist mentality, who crave an ideal world where all the bad guys have been done away with. For some, like Malcolm and Craig in particular (and probably Rick and David Lowe as well), there is a desire to actually rule that world" that he assumed people wo
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