QuotematildaThanks ******* Dave is explaining his actions on the Quaker forum too BTW Thanks ******* Someone nees to tell the Quakers that it wasn't just the whipping in LA, but also a whipping of a volunteer in their community in Kenya. I am sure they would be interested in the bit of information, before it breaks in the media.
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QuoteGladitzoverQuoteQuoteWe have disagreements, and strong ones at that. But all of our children lived and worked with until they were well into their twenties, when they were quite entitled to go their own way and live the way they want to live. Hardy har har, this is a good one. You make it sound like it was THEIR choice. Another joke. You tossed them all out. One in a developing count
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QuotezeuszorYou seem like a total loon to me Dave, seriously. The difference between neurosis and psychosis Nuerosis is believing in floating castles in the sky Psychosis is living in them. Which are you Dave?
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QuoteDave McKay, Quoteyou are trying pretty hard to cause division in my family, but where are the children you say are so angry with me? What a joke Dave. You make it sound as though there is no division already existing in your family. Where are the three oldest of your children? What is the communication with them like? Your kids are more gracious than you are. QuoteWe have disagre
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Below is some correspondance with the Quakers. As you can see they do not support Dave's actions and would prefer that he subject such leadings from God to a governing body. Quote Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:34:57 +0930 To: <YMsecretary@quakers.org.au> Subject: Quaker whipping people To whom it may concern, I was curious as to why one of your members recently engag
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QuotematildaUnclear about this. Were Liz and Rachel recruited/ adopted? Who was the girl from the orphanage in India? St Vincent de Paul is Catholic charity.[/quote Rachel was adopted and ended up walking across the nullabour when she was 11 or 12. Liz joined from Bangalore I prefer not to name the girl from the orphanage
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QuotemuppetQuite a chameleon !! What age was the girl when she ' joined'? I do not know how old the girl was when she joined.
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QuotemuppetWas he recruited from the orphanage ? or not? I understand the orphanage was also denominational ( was it Catholic or Baptist?) and would have required houseparents from that denomination? The Christopher I know was not. There was a girl who joined from the orphanage. Regarding the denomination of the orphanage, it may have been catholic but I cannot speak with any authority a
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QuotemuppetWas Christopher an orphan / minor or an adult ? He was an australian adult
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QuotemuppetWhat end did h e desire? Was there a christopher involved somewhere? He wanted something to be changed as far as care for the kids were concerned. I think it had to do with funding. I thought his criticisms were valid, but his threatened actions were not. Yes, there was a Christopher involved somewhere at that time.
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QuotemuppetDave and cherry were house parents at an orphanae in India at one stage ? Anyone know the story? Yeah, Dave threatened to tip petrol over his head and set himself on fire to acheive a desired end.
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Zueszor, I can understand your zeal. But be aware that use of strong language regarding exposing David McKay is not helpful. He uses it to convince his lackeys that he is being persecuted. If you feel you must use such terminology, please qualify it with a description of what "attack" means. I also agree with Kath, in that you should guard against your own happiness being taken
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These articles provide evidence of how much of a control freak David McKay is.
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How stupid of David McKay to say there is no peer pressure for his group members to donate kidneys when they all have to wear T shirts telling people to donate kidneys. The sheer act of doing that would cause a cognitive dissonance that would need to be reckoned with if the wearer had not already donated their kidney.
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What got me was Dave's response to the reporter when she said he was humiliating the family. He got a little bug eyed, as though annoyed that someone would dare say something contrary to him, talking down to her, "Look they humiliated themselves, alright". Right there you could see that angry glint in his eyes. He is still the same guy. Angry before, and angry now. Dave if y
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Quotemuppet DM's story books eg 'Survivors' have some related claims, the saints when angered cause volcanoes, breathe fire and fly around like houseflies! Their website becomes invisible! i'm sure that the COG also believed they will be able to fly, is that right Snuggles? Apostate do you think DM actually believes this stuff or is it just a control mechanism? I r
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmDave has become awfully quiet... Dave is discussing whether he would kill for Christ on this thread
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QuotecultmalleusThis has been posted on the RR forum before, but it really is an amazing little film that certainly has relevance to us JC survivors. I was pointed to it by a friend. Absolutely Brilliant Malleus. I reccommend it to everyone here.
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QuotePtolemyGlennQuoteHmmm i have looked over alot of this thread and it's really sad to see some of you people attacking Dave McKay. Wrong Glenn. There are a lot of people criticising his actions and teachings. People who know more about his behavior than you seem to. Some questions for you Glenn: Are you sad? Do you think we are all making it up? Are all our experiences simpl
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Quotea motherI hope you can overcome your prejudices of my pseudonym. I know that ‘mother’ has negative connotations in the community. However, I choose to represent myself this way because that is what I am – a female and a mother. I am also an ex-member and have recently discovered these posts. I am disappointed by the childishness of some of the comments from both sides, really. The r
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QuotecultmalleusQuoteDon't worry muppet, im still here, been reading the posts; really good to welcome Gladitzover, Snuggles, Freeofdm and others; Really good to see you again Cultmalleus. QuoteA lot of us still have "flashbacks" to our time in the group; god it takes a long time to deprogram. It's hard because most of us were and still are very idealistic and this was e
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David McKay, the cult leader, can be assured that I will not delete or edit anything else that I have written. He has had his time dancing in the shadows. Snuggles, I agree with what you say about him needing to be exposed. In time something may happen from closer quarters. It has been considered. It is difficult for people to stand up to him because some equate him with the voice of God,
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QuoteDave McKay QuoteSo the moral dilemma that I would like people on this forum to face is this: If such information can be used to discredit me, is it okay to use it? And, at the same time, if it can be used to destroy the career of an ex-member, should it be used? And here is a classic example of the cloak of invisibility you surround yourself with. The sublime beauty of it. Like a bank r
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QuoteDave McKay QuoteI find it disturbing that you have hinted in your penultimate posting that you are going to release the information that apostate deleted and then blame it on google or some other search engine that it got out. I did not see that "hint". This is a false accusation designed to cover your own actions in this matter. QuoteIf Apostate had just been more honest
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Quoterrmoderatorapostate: It's your choice to delete your posts, but I don't think it's wise. You should not let Dave mainpulate you through anyone. It doesn't help to do that. I understand and agree with what you say Rick. But there is plenty on Dave without endangering an ex member. Such is the nature of David McKay! He would even sacrifice an ex members reputa
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Quotesnuggles Apostate, why have you deleted some of your posts, are you feeling intimidated or some other reason........... Dave was threatening an ex-member to get at me. In order to protect this person I deleted some of the stuff.
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QuoterrmoderatorInteresting. Does this mean that McKay in part lives on the dole? So you are saying that welfare payments from the "World" (government welfare) is in part how McKay lives rather than working at a regular salaried job or providing labor for hire? And apparently McKay also subsists through taking in some money donated by Quakers. Does "Jesus Christians&quo
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QuotemuppetQuoteapostateQuotemuppetCan you remember when it was issued and we will request it from Dave. What more can you say on insurance claims? RE: insurance claims, one of his members in the past received a payout for an injury. It became a courtcase with his mother trying to block him giving it to the JC's. Was this in Australia? When ? Who won ? It was in Australia.
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QuoteDave McKay Finally, even if we were to take your calculations seriously, and we were to divide $6,000 a week between 30 members, that gives an average income of $200 a week before any expenses. Considering I suggested a conservative 25 member figure at a rate of $50/day, your suggested 30 member number at the same rate bumps that end figure up to $300.00/week per person on a conservat
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QuoteDave McKayFrom where I sit, Tony, *I* am the messenger. And we give an account to the Quakers because they support us, which is better than what you did when we supported you. Tell me Dave, do you think the Quakers only provide an account of their expenditure to fellow Quakers, or only to those that support them? Some how I think not. They have nothing to be ashamed of with regard to th
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