QuoteDave McKayQuoteYou guys have got to be sillier than I thought if you think I am going to go out of my way to provide information for your witch hunt. Dave, your claims that financial accountability to outsiders is a "witch hunt" provides a wealth of information about how you run things in your group. Thank you very much. QuoteBut I would suggest that Tony (Apostate) give
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QuoteDave McKayYes, I could, Tony. But I'm not gonna! Thanks for confirming the truth of what I said Dave.
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QuotemuppetCan you remember when it was issued and we will request it from Dave. What more can you say on insurance claims? I know there have been a few large inheritances. It would have been within the last two years. I am sure he would be able to identify it if he wanted to share the information it contained. RE: insurance claims, one of his members in the past received a payout f
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QuotemuppetQuoteapostateQuotemuppetApostate You wrote 'Dave once received a substantial loan from a Quaker woman that he only had to pay back if he was able. This may have gone towards that property. I am sure Dave, who is reading this, could tell us.' What do you mean by a 'loan that does not have to be repaid' ? Do you mean a gift? Why did she bestow it? How su
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QuotekathDo you think the Quakers really know what McKay does and believes? In the UK, the Quakers are quite a respectable organisation. I find it hard to imagine them knowingly and willingly having much to do with this lot if they knew all the news reports etc. They may only know of the work he does with them in Africa. Dave is pretty good at putting on a good front so that he appears res
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QuotemuppetApostate You wrote 'Dave once received a substantial loan from a Quaker woman that he only had to pay back if he was able. This may have gone towards that property. I am sure Dave, who is reading this, could tell us.' What do you mean by a 'loan that does not have to be repaid' ? Do you mean a gift? Why did she bestow it? How substantial ? Matilda
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QuotematildaQuoteapostateLooks like he is on a good income source with the Quakers. It certainly explains his smoothness on their forum. Funding for loans for African refugee air-fares. Interesting. Matilda, is there anyway the Quakers could be asked directly? I am sure they would be forthcoming with this type of information. How are these following people reached: "Ray Co
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QuotematildaQuotezeuszor...how much of other people's money does it take for the Jesus Christians to stay poor? You like to reference Gandhi so much as an example of a non-Christian but righteous person. Well, it took a lot of other people's money for him to stay poor too. He was a self-promoting, opportunistic crook, just like you. What you do is not "living by faith" we
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Looks like he is on a good income source with the Quakers. It certainly explains his smoothness on their forum. Funding for loans for African refugee air-fares. Interesting. I wonder why the apparently usual donations for Indigenous concerns did not happen this fiscal year. Is there any info around about about how many refugees were loaned money, and where they came from, where
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Here is the URL to a Wikipedia search on Jesus Christians. It is good to have a public source to add to for a more complete picture of what this group believes and encourages their members to practice.
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QuoteDave McKayThank you, people, for including so much factual material here. I realise that you have your own spin on the things I have said, but at least you have included the quotes, so that people can decide for themselves whether or not the quotes back up your claims. I would invite members here to post on the Jesus Christian forum. The URL is welikejesus.com At the moment you can onl
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QuotemuppetHarry Potter! What age are you? I take it this is a rhetorical question?
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QuoteDave McKayQuoteMy Bible isn't infallible (and never claims to be infallible) Funny how that does not seem to apply to the bits in red letters Quote And even if it's not infallible, it is still the greatest book that was ever written. I reckon the Harry Potter series is better
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Thanks for that Matilda. He is good with his wording. i.e. "I was approached" by one of the young male members. Dave is good at covering his backside. I wonder if that member just got through reading Dave's previous sermons about "he who has two should give to those who have none" in relation to kidney donations after looking around at the other 17 members who had their k
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Thanks for that Matilda. He is good with his wording. i.e. "I was approached" by one of the young male members. Dave is good at covering his backside. I wonder if that member just got through reading Dave's previous sermons about "he who has two should give to those who have none" in relation to kidney donations after looking around at the other 17 members who had thei
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I have cut and pasted an article from the Jesus Christian website about their "trial". 15 October, 2006 The Outcome of the Trial Our apologies for being so slack about reporting the results of the trial. It has been a full week since it was held. The trial format was simple. We rented a school auditorium, and seated ten members of the 'jury' on one side of a lon
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Quotesnuggles Quotethe fact that Berg beat his new recruits with rods. This is interesting. I did not know that. Dave really is just a "wannabe". QuoteAll cult leaders want complete adoration, they suffer from narrcisism and cultivate egocentic, insecure and manipulative personalities. It's no wonder cults as a group mirror the leader in all these traits. It is true
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QuotematildaQuotemuppet Some information at this link, stating that DM had one and one post from a Dave McKay claiming that the JC's were building some sort of motel in Kenya. Quote How bizarre! A motel? Why? Yes, it seems that David is now returning and partaking of the system that he claims to forsake. Watch and wait now for the claim that it is a health centre or
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Quotemuppet There was one parent who did not want to become emotionally attached to a young child, in case of persecution, learning this, no doubt, from DM who had demonstrated his emotional freedom from his own children by cutting them out of his life. Dave does mention one of his sons on that donor link above. He also states that his son in law, who is also a donor, had a vasectomy. It is b
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QuotemuppetQuoteapostateQuotecultmalleusI wonder how Dave would go with the headline "Crazy Kidney Cult Whips Arthritic Pensioner" Anyone care to enter a competition for the most way out headline for these crazy kidney cultists? Rules: must be clean, must be true. btw, have downloaded all the "stong meat" articles, thanks apostate No probs Cultmalleus, happy to sh
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QuotecultmalleusI wonder how Dave would go with the headline "Crazy Kidney Cult Whips Arthritic Pensioner" Anyone care to enter a competition for the most way out headline for these crazy kidney cultists? Rules: must be clean, must be true. btw, have downloaded all the "stong meat" articles, thanks apostate No probs Cultmalleus, happy to share it around. I reckon
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You may have to be quick guys. Here is the link to the restricted teachings of the Jesus Christians
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Quotemuppethttp://quakers.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1471&highlight=#1471 Some tame contributions to the forum here. He knows exactly what he is doing, I had a look. What a smoothy, so polite, and agreeable. Obviously he has a use for Quaker respectability at the moment in his Machiavellian plans.
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QuotemuppetApostate, were you in during the split? and how dod Gary, Sherry and Kevin leave? Sherry left feeling totally disallusioned and disgusted with her father's lies and deception. He had asked her to join in with his deception and lie to her brother Kevin about his plans to decieve the other half of the split. Gary left while in India, and Dave attempted to get his wife to leave
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Quotemuppet I wonder if the authorities in Australia realise one of their 'disabled ' clients and carers got themselves flogged today? Apostate, how were family relations when you were in? Is there any way that the Derryn H program could be made available on here? I doubt they do realise one of their "disabled" clients took a flogging today. I am sure Dave would not
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:lol: Good one
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The quote below is taken from the Jesus Christian forum. QuoteNot much power left on my computer, so I'll make this brief. We've just finished the trial in Long Beach and are celebrating a mini-escape at a fast food restaurant a few miles north of there. Joe, Jeremy, Cherry, and Dave took a total of 60 stripes from the whip on behalf of the Johnson family, who all refused to atte
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Quotemuppet Hi Apostate, DM is duplicitous and very strategic in his recruitment and retention od members. Anyone who retains any sense of self worth on exiting this group is a very strong person. His aim is always to breed dependency on the group and discourage any maverick thinking., so leaving is very painful but staying is worse. You will have witnessed people being reduced to almost infan
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And another... This one criticses the concept of tolerating other points of view! The Virgin Army, part 3 (August, 1998) I should address some problems relating to the 144K vision. I am particularly concerned that people may think we need to tolerate other points of view within our own fellowship which do not support the 144K vision; or that celibacy is not necessarily the preferred o
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If dave won't give it to you Zeuszor, I will post a copy of it here for you. this one talks about his thought policing of cult members in his group Keeping the 144K Vision (18 September, 2002) I've been thinking for some time about the 144K vision, and the need to do something to help people who are struggling with it. What I have arrived at, however, is that we do not re
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