QuoteJack Oskar LarmG'day Apostate, QuotePain seems to be the most humane and speedy form of human punishment. We could whip them strongly, without doing any damage to their teeth, brain, or spine. And it would all be over in just a few minutes...David McKay Does McKay hate God that much? Admittedly I have limited knowledge of the Bible myth, but the above quote could easily have com
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In light of the previous two quotes from David McKay he has audacity to throw out a challenge. Now we challenge anyone to show us someone who is more serious about teaching people to obey Jesus than we are... Dave. Dave, the list would be too long.
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Another inspiring quote from David McKay There is no contradiction between me talking about killing someone to save someone else's life, and other members saying that they would strongly question any interpretation of the teachings of Jesus that said we should kill our enemies rather than love and forgive them. Source: (accessed 30 December 2006)
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No problems Malcolm, I would be interested in how it goes for you.
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An inspiring quote from David Mckay Pain seems to be the most humane and speedy form of human punishment. We could whip them strongly, without doing any damage to their teeth, brain, or spine. And it would all be over in just a few minutes SOURCE: (accessed 29 Dec. 2006)
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WREST QuoteThe policy decisions to offer a 'trial week" for those interested in joining, welcoming the visits of parents and encouraging the formation of a wider support group of non-members are all changes that have taken place since I left and I think represent a (subliminal??) desire to "normalize" relations. I think you are mistaking his chameleon t
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QuoteIt's coming, Friends, and we need to see it as an inseparable part of our decision to follow Christ. In the end, he said that he would cause divisions between us and everyone else who is in opposition to him. In these dark days, that is going to include almost everyone. But we can rejoice, "for so persecuted the prophets which were before you," and we can rejoice because "
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Just reading that thread and Dave's final threats it is easy to see why I do not identify myself to him. I am not that stupid.
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QuoteJack Oskar LarmThanks Apostate, Some truly shocking stuff happening at JC HQ. It's amazing how sick a forum can become when it's run by genuinely sick, sick people. I can only spend a few minutes reading their stuff before I have to turn away in disgust. Dave McKay has a habit of naming people. Why doesn't he name 'X'? I suspect Dave likes (loves) to intimid
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Check out the JC's latest on this thread.
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I reckon. Nobody knows Dave better than he knows himself. So I would say his self diagnosis was accurate.
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Thanks Zueszor. I know you are a reasonable person, and that you are concerned about this cult. So are ex members who have friends inside it.
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Zueszor. I only asked that you stop the rhetoric which referred to violence being visited on Dave. That was my concern. It can be seen from his comments above that he easily twists such comments. But if you want to continue making such comments you need to know that I do not support you in them.
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Dave wants to tell us some "truth" about how bad ex members are... "the ex-members and Rick Ross have conspired together to distort something that was said on this thread about sexual immorality in an attempt to reach a conclusion that I should not only be executed, but that I should be tortured prior to the execution (because execution in itself is too good for me, they say)
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Daves daughter Christine writes: (Our sister moved to Brisbane with the explanation that they wanted to get as far away from Dave as possible, our other brother wrote saying he wants no further contact with us, and our adopted sister keeps her whereabouts secret). " You know a tree by its fruit. His own children want nothing to do with him, and they know him better than anybody. I would
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Quotecultmalleushmmmm, concerning stuff QuoteBut a better example is paedophilia. Kids are not FORCED to have sex, and yet society says it is wrong. I know, I know, they are not adults. But you see, we each have our restrictions that we think makes it wrong or doesn't make it wrong. And so what we decided to experiment with is just trying to follow the rules as we honestly and humbly
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QuoteDave McKay Do you believe in God now? Do you believe that Jesus died for our sins? Next you are going to ask me if I am "born again".
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I thought it might be good to share some things about my life, post JC community. Since leaving the influence of the Jesus Christian community I have rediscovered my humanity, and I am so glad about that. I had allowed myself to become quite hard-headed and self-righteous because I thought I had found the "truth" in the perverted teachings of Jesus as relayed by the groups annointed
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QuoteDave McKayWhat you don't say is why you banned her the first time. I am sure Jinny will be impressed by you going to bat for her Dave. I think you two have a lot in common. I do not think I have ever seen you go to the defence of someone else so much before. Jinny knew the rules. They are clear to all.
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QuoteDave McKayBerni is concerned about censorship and Annette is concerned about the possibility that the Jesus Christians may dump Jinny if she does come over to the JC way of thinking. How does all this relate to the fact that Jinny has been banned from this forum? Dave, your question make no sense at all. Gladsitzover did not express any concern about Jinny being dumped by the JC's
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Quoting "jinnythesquinny"/Anaglypta] QuoteLike all people I feel obliged to stick up for myself and my friends when I hear untruths about me or them. That's all I wanted to do. I would think we are entitled to the same rights. QuoteThe fact is, I really don't care. Christianity is rubbish. The JCs are the only group (as opposed to individuals) I've ever met who ma
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By the way Jinnythesqinny did you post here under the name of "Anaglypta"? It is interesting that this poster has the same phraseology as you, i.e. "There's generally two sides to every story" Taken from post number 3 on 08-14-2005 01:33 AM of this whole thread. Were you working with the JC's to start this thread off? I do not think this thread would have
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Quoting "jinnythesquinny" QuoteWhat people say in forums isn't going to contradict my own actual experience of the JCs. Jinny, unless you are choosing to deny what is being said here, what people are saying does contradict your experience. It is obvious we do not agree. QuoteFeelings are an inner thing. The feeling I define as x may well be another's y. I know in &q
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It is interesting that Jinny can say "Other people's hurt feelings aren't something I'm privy to either" seeing as this thread came into existance because of people expressing some of the hurt they experienced at David McKay's hands. Jinny says: "I know that most of my own hurt feelings are more down to my reaction to things rather than the things themselves.
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QuotePraise God! The word over on the Rick Ross forum is that they have admitted defeat in their worldwide campaign to attack me and the Jesus Christians. Criticism or questions do not equate with being an attack on you. Quote More than that, they have turned on Brian Birmingham, the guy with mental problems who had been leading them in the attack. Nobody has turned on anybody. This is mo
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QuotezeuszorSorry if I got wound up and got preachy there. It's just that my heart aches so badly for these people. It's so sad. So that's it for me on this thread. I'll continue to read it, but no more postings from me unless it's of dire importance. Thanks for your time and your patience. Perhaps I have been too aggressive, but on the other hand, when it comes to
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Dave’s McKay’s swan song! I paste it below with my thoughts in bold letters interspersed throughout the article. Persecution and the Cross We've said a fair bit in the past about persecution, and about our need to be willing to endure it. Just as happened to Jesus, there were people who tried to say that we were paranoid, that we were imagining things. At times we were just speaking th
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Quotematilda (It is good to see that the heated rhetoric of the last week has subsided ) I agree. In fact I think it would be good to let the JC's alone now as far as posting stuff on their forum, because Dave is using it all to solidify in his followers minds that he is being persecuted, causing them to rally around him. Although questions hardly rate as persecution. The JC&#
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If this is an example of how Dave speaks of his own brother and mother on a public forum, what can his followers, children or grand-children expect? "I remember the day my brother listened in to a phone conversation between and my very religious mother, and heard her directly contradicting what she had just said to him. He was so shocked, because he is a mama-worshiper who just believed
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Thanks to ever added it to the forum, if it was anybody from here. It helps to give the Quakers on that forum a more rounded picture of the group. It seems they are not too happy with the idea of his group whipping people. It is a testament to Dave's lack of critical thinking skills that he thinks they would come to agree with him.
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