Hello Glenn, If I was in Melbourne I would love to have a meal with you as we chatted about my history with the JC's. It would be my shout :) But maybe discussion on this thread will have to suffice. I understand that you may veiw this thread and some postings on it as being unfair. You pointed out that a couple of issues you had with the Church of Scientology was that you got told o
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QuoteKingTutFunny how it's ok for some people as Dogmother says to be able to say what they want, when they want. And the only thing that bubbles out of their mouths are hate and vile sewerage. I wonder what does it take to join this bitter for life garden party? Staying in the same rut does nothing but fuels bitterness which in the end will make you sick inside because you cant move o
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Quotefree of DMDave is raning again. QuoteAny rational person knows that there ARE crazies in the world, and that the Internet gives them the opportunity to let out a lot of their craziness. I have no doubt that most of the RR'rs are not consciously thinking about some asassination plot, nor a suicide bomb to take the lot of us "nappy chappies" out. But unless they are rationa
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:idea: Well, I must say I Love Huskies.. I love to play along with just about anything they do. Such gentle natured beasts. Like you I found it to be a slow process, even after I was unceremoniously turfed out.
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QuoteDogmotherMalcom and Matilda you are both so right about rank and file giving of ourselves with a pure and alteristic, God-given, humble and inspired heart. Who better to understand than WE can understand each other? There are so many talents amongst us, so much good-will. I strongly feel that we must put forth every effort to make that summit of ours. Mid-year is probably doable for most of
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I have to say that I found it painfully BORING and tedious. I made it through to the end though. Phew! More evidence of how void he is anything worthwhile to say.
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QuoteGladitzoverDogmother wrote: QuoteHow about comming up with a summit, a meeting in person, where we all get together and brainstorm on how to get this predator silenced forever. This would be a service to mankind. Dogmother, I think we all understand what you mean about "silencing" Dave, i.e. stopping him from gathering, manipulating and controlling people's lives. Dave,
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QuotemuppetQuoteapostateQuotezeuszor Ex-members of the JCs, can you describe for me please why you tend to be critical of that group, and what your main objections are? Hmmm. OK, lets go for another trip around the merry go round. 1. David teaches and utilises deception (see past discussions about thefts and welfare fraud) 2. David teaches his group to IGNORE the teachings of Jesus in
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Thanks for sharing Malcolm. It is true that you were "airbrushed" out of things as time moved on. I was in the JC's from 90-97, and I too was dealt with in a similar manner. I see amazing parrallels between the JC's and George Orwell's "Animal Farm", i.e. dissenters are quickly silenced and discarded, the rules continually changing, the residents of the c
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Quotezeuszor Ex-members of the JCs, can you describe for me please why you tend to be critical of that group, and what your main objections are? Hmmm. OK, lets go for another trip around the merry go round. 1. David teaches and utilises deception (see past discussions about thefts and welfare fraud) 2. David teaches his group to IGNORE the teachings of Jesus in favour of his own interp
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I do not think we are deluded, and I do not think it is appropriate to even suggest such a thing. Interesting thing about being deluded is that the one who is deluded generally won't acknowledge it, that is for objective outsiders to say. We believers in God have tried to show loving acceptance of those who do not believe; but is it too much to ask that the non-believers do the same t
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Hello Xenophone, long time no hear :) Zueszor, Narcisism is not contagious. The article you cite says as much. It is no more contagious than epilepsy, bipolar disorder, or skizophrenia. You are being carried way by your zeal. I agree with Xenophone that it is time for you to reel it back.
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Quoting Dave: It's interesting that I have simply RESPONDED to critics, rarely writing anything more in my defence than they have written in their criticisms, and yet volunteers keep coming forward to tell ME to shut up, as though I am ranting and raving here. What was that song? Oh yeah... Oh Lord, please help me to see when I am feeling POOR ME. Dave, you are ranting and
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Just in case people cannot see the direct link between Dave's latest rail against ex members and that gun toting redneck right wing website I mentioned before, here is the link to the FULL "report" (so called) by Carol Moore (whoever she is). Any other extreme right wing websites we should know about Dave? How about one that says the CIA blew up the twin towers on Se
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It is interesting that Dave's latest rant against ex members and Rick Ross gathers its base material from the above site. A right wing, pro gun, pro NRA, pro militia, pro anarchy, anti authority web site. A site which comes complete with pictures of different categories of bullets under the heading "Extreme Shock", alongside the statue of liberty riding on the back of a wedge
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To make these quotes more easily accessible for whoever wants them. I am sure Dave won't mind, as he said them all. This is not a holiday camp. It is an army, and we're involved in a war. There will be casualties. There will be costs. And for those who survive, there will be victories. But if anyone wants to be a part of this army, then they need to get it clear that they must obey
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QuotemuppetQuoteapostateMore evidence of David Mckay's control and the obedience he DEMANDS from followers. They comply because he teaches that his authority and God's are one and the same. I am the captain of this ship. I know where we are going, because I am getting my orders from God....If he has appointed me to lead this work, then he will expect others to work in submission to
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QuotematildaQuoteapostateDavid McKay teaches children to dishonor their parents. He sows division in families by lying to children that their parents do not really love them. He works to blind children to the sacrifices parents have made to help children meet their goals before Dave came along. His latest recruit Joseph is a classic example of such a tactic. Dave teaches Joseph that his paren
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More evidence of David Mckay's control and the obedience he DEMANDS from followers. They comply because he teaches that his authority and God's are one and the same. I am the captain of this ship. I know where we are going, because I am getting my orders from God....If he has appointed me to lead this work, then he will expect others to work in submission to me...God has at this tim
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In poor countries like India Dave engaged in entrapment tactics to get potentials he did not like to leave the group. He would do this by leaving money out in plain sight, baiting them to take it. If they did, he had his excuse; while it is permissable for Dave to engage in welfare fraud, commanding others to do the same.
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Evidence of David McKay's CONTROL of group members from his own mouth: This is not a holiday camp. It is an army, and we're involved in a war. There will be casualties. There will be costs. And for those who survive, there will be victories. But if anyone wants to be a part of this army, then they need to get it clear that they must obey orders. SOURCE: (6 jan 2007) And like an
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QuotecultmalleusQuoteI think it is important to note that all I did in the phone call, was calmly and patiently ask for Dave to be present at a meeting about this website and other concerns wrote Ashwyn How many ex members have memories of Dave interfering with family relationships? How many ex members have memories of being "shepherded" and not allowed to visit family and friends
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David McKay teaches children to dishonor their parents. He sows division in families by lying to children that their parents do not really love them. He works to blind children to the sacrifices parents have made to help children meet their goals before Dave came along. His latest recruit Joseph is a classic example of such a tactic. Dave teaches Joseph that his parents are selfish while igno
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QuotesWordQuotematilda Is this the JC website ? If so how can you place pop ups on their site? are you a member or the JC´s? Just looking for clarification. No it's an alternative. I've undertaken not to ridicule their teaching, but I wish to point out where mckay misquotes the Bible. I know their material comes with a copyright, but mackay talked his way into our home and stole goo
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Dave is continuing to rail against ex members, while accusing others of having "mental problems". ... a number of the ex-members who are presently fighting us so fiercely seem to have serious mental problems, i.e. to be a bit crazy. But I had to point out that most of them had similar problems when they were members of our community, and many of our present members and supporters hav
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More fear mongering from Dave with a dash of false accusation, sprinkled with a seasoning of what if. "I just turned 62 years old, and yet one of the recurring thoughts on the RR forum is what they will do after I die. Is this just very long-range preparation, or do they know something that I don't?" SOURCE: (2 Jan. 2007)
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Another edifying quote from David McKay "It is amazing how many of these bitter ex-members were actually pretty hopeless when they joined us" SOURCE: (1 JAN. 2007) I wonder if new recruits, like Joseph, or Grace, are told they are "hopeless" when they join, or will David save that for when they leave? A telling window into the mind of a cult leader and how he views
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Thanks Matilda. I thought this MO quote from Deborah's book struck a chord, and was part of the reason for the 1997 split, and the reason why the remaining JC's fell/backslid into an attitude of religiousity, seeing that it was mostly married couples with children that were forced out on to the streets. QuoteGod will have no other gods before Him, not even the sanctity of the marr
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David McKay exhibits Narcisitic tendencies. The quote below, pinched from Wikipedia, gives a break down of a Narcisitic Personality Disorder (NPD). It also speaks of the formation of a "ao-narcissist", and is something I think all community members are forced to become as they endevour to continually please and appease Dave's Narcisism. QuotePeople who are narcissistic com
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QuotecultmalleusThe interesting thing about whipping and corporal punishment in general is that it causes FEAR as the major emotion. Dave believes we should move away from jails and towards whipping instead. In other words, we should move away from contemplation and rehabilitation and move towards fear. The System has had more Christian influence in getting away from fear and reaction and towa
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