Truth wins Wrote: > Nothing we can do or say will ever change the > dynamics of a 40 years old cult and its rotten > sides. They will either go on or auto destruct. After Butler and his wife both die, SoI will fizzle out in not much time. Once the head dies, then the body will also. This is my prediction. Though, there will always be the diehards, the true believers who will
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry everybody for the bad vibes and nasty > exchanges on this post. I am not sure how it got > so ugly. I myself have been in a very bad space > and regret the way I interacted. Since deleting is > not an option, we must really weigh our words. > I hope that from now on if anybody joins the >
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Truth wins Wrote: > The very exteremely dangerous leaders such as Jim > Jones, David Koresh... are not running the > streets. Most gurus are a mix of rotten and nice. Most people are a mix of rotten and nice. Gurus are people too.
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God is simultaneously and inconceivably at one with, and yet separate from, His Creation. Everything that we are experiencing at the present moment, is the result of the interactions between the energies and activities of God. This is Krishna Consciousness. This is the "mystical force" which drove me to Krishna Consciousness: the energies and activities of God.
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You know something about Krishna conscious philosophy that I really like, Truth wins? It's that in every "bona fide" picture of Krishna that you will see, Krishna is never pictured alone. There is always at least one other living being in the picture. Even Krishna's paraphernalia are living entities and not inanimate objects. So Krishna is never pictured alone. Krishna is neve
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"I have instructed everything in my books." --Srila Prabhupada; SPL (VI 1987) Dina Dayala das 25/02/76 There is a precedent involving devotees making claims for and about Srila Prabhupada, that Prabhupada never made for and about himself. These claims involve deifying Prabhupada, making him into a "godman" (such as calling him the "savior of the entire universe",
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One more time: I would defend the basic beliefs > and practices of the organization, but not the > organization itself. I DO NOT defend or apologize > for abuse or abusers. Some of the kids who were > abused in Dallas back in the old days, are still > devotees. They do not all hate Prabhupad
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One more time: I would defend the basic beliefs and practices of the organization, but not the organization itself. I DO NOT defend or apologize for abuse or abusers. Some of the kids who were abused in Dallas back in the old days, are still devotees. They do not all hate Prabhupada and ISKCON, and that's my attitude too. From December 6, 2001: Despite being the first victim to public
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Corboy: facet (throughout all their participation here) has NEVER ONCE described or explained the mystical forces which drove them to Krishna Consciousness, but instead has contributed distraction after distraction from the topic of this thread. Facet also does facet's best to misrepresent my position as best they can. Look, I live in Dallas, for Pete's sake. They Turley lawsuit
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Krishna Consciousness is not made of a body of > people. It is not something a person joins or > leaves. YES...exactly.
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Truth wins Wrote: "I have not read all the scriptures and I am not well versed in the Vedas but I do know that basic information that ACB brought the teachings to the West." Me neither, Truth wins. I have not read every single one of his books and I cannot quote you slokas in Sanskrit, but I do know what Prabhupada did and did not teach. I've researched these things very th
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The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Prabhupada was not omniscient with respect > to the material world and all that goes on in it, > and he never claimed to be. He was not an expert > on every topic under the sun, and he did not know > everything about everything. Just because he > spoke his opinion about a given thing pertaini
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DaWatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sure. > > Also waking up dead Grandy with "Prana+" spray gun > is some kind of progress... No BS. That was the best American-grown ganja I've ever smoked, the stuff I got from the man who grew up in SoI. This guy is not a hippie type at all; he's more like a Krishna conscious bike
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Prabhupada was not omniscient with respect to the material world and all that goes on in it, and he never claimed to be. He was not an expert on every topic under the sun, and he did not know everything about everything. Just because he spoke his opinion about a given thing pertaining to the material world, this does not mean that that must be my opinion too. Prabhupada said that human being
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Corboy: None of the above has anything to do with the mystical forces that drove facet to Krishna Consciousness. This facet person is completely off-topic (with respect to of the topic of this thread) and is contributing nothing to the discussion except (as facet puts it) "comedy response". Can't you do something about this troll?
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PS: I know this may sound odd to you, Truth Wins, but I do hope that we can still be friends.
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If I have offended you in any way, I appologize. I > am far from being perfect. Likewise. I apologize if I have offended you in any way, and I myself am far from perfect. > I did not even know ACB brought this philosophy to > the West. I thought it was the opposite. LOL! > Seriously? > You
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I guess it just gets chaotic we starr getting into > the philosophy and argue about it. > We all seem to have different views and there are > apparently different versions.... > We have covered the fact that SoI is practicing a > diluted version of Vaishnavism. > I think the most important iss
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zizlz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Whirlwind Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Exactly. Thank you. All facet wants to do > > (pretty much) is preach atheism, apparently. > > > Yeah looks like it. If someone's post history > shows a very predictable, unchangeable and > dis
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PS: Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Whirlwind seems to be quite clear on his > position. He sees the wrong things that Iskcon is > doing. He is also defending the Founder who > brought the philosphy to the East. Nonsense. He brought it to the West, FROM the East. Are you sure you know what you're talking about, Truth Wi
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Truth Wins: if you do not like my being here, then that's just too bad. I am not doing anything wrong.
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zizlz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Whirlwind Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Exactly. Thank you. All facet wants to do > > (pretty much) is preach atheism, apparently. > > > Yeah looks like it. If someone's post history > shows a very predictable, unchangeable and > dis
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This forum is full of hurt people. Yeah, and I am one of them. I'm hurt too. If you do not like my being here, then that's too bad. I am not doing anything wrong.
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My friend you are quite fixated on the name of > this forum. > It is very much a SUPPORT GROUP. A place where we > can openly discuss our negative and traumatic > experiences. > People are free to think what they want really. > Including atheism. > You stepped in the process willingly. You
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zizlz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Whirlwind Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Exactly. Thank you. All facet wants to do > > (pretty much) is preach atheism, apparently. > > > Yeah looks like it. If someone's post history > shows a very predictable, unchangeable and > dis
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have never been around genuine teachers, > devotees... In a sense, and from a certain point of view, EVERYBODY is a devotee. Once ones' consciousness transcends the kanistha platform, that is, one realizes this. :-) The first time I head the maha-mantra being chanted, I was an atheist and was not
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Then why are you here? Just to argue and preach atheism?
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Are you a former member of ISKCON, SOIF, or any related group, facet? You've never made that clear.
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Exactly. Thank you. All facet wants to do (pretty much) is preach atheism, apparently.
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Exactly. Thank you. All facet wants to do (pretty much) is preach atheism, apparently.
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