enoonsti is a cryonics activist/marketer on the less wrong and cold filter forum as well. didnt realise they "work" for alcor though - :) Refferring us to writings by Mark "darwin" Fodowitz or whatever he calls himself these days - Yawn.... The fact is Cryobiology is in the main the science of preserving organs for transplant so they can save lives - cryonics is piss -
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Reminds of that myth of Admiral Nelson who was preserved in rum to be buried at home. BUT the sailors corked the barrel and DRANK IT! - Lol they had to throw it overboard because the smell of rotten flesh was making the ship unliveable! - Storys not true but the navy still say "tapping the Admiral" in reference to a free drink - More here: -
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Ever since fire was invented 2 million years ago, people have worshipped man’s inventions this is called Technophilia. Imagine what it was like on the African Savannah all those years ago when one of our ancient ancestors worked out how to harness the flame! All of a sudden people had something to scare away the most threatening predators in the dead of the night. It was probably the case that un
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no worries gpaperella - I actually agree with you on a lot of your points there - I apologise for calling you a "follower" you obviously have your own mind and want to bring your own perspective to the discussion and it is welcome here. The problem I have is that De Grey IS well respected (and well liked) and because of that people listen to him. If he says that Cryonics is a good i
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lol didnt take long for one his "followers" to stick up for him (de Grey) Sorry Gpaperella but you obviously felt the need to join after reading my post on De Grey and probably don;t know why we brought him up for discussion. I actually paid money to see him speak publically about SENS, bought his book so as a consumer I can be critical of him - He is very Likable (yes we have also met
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Whats the deal with the Whole Transhumanism/Singularity malarky? (This is a "overspill" to the Cryonics Thread - which keeps coming back to Transhumanism philosophy.) "As soon as you take issue, you're quickly labeled a Luddite,'' said Jennifer Lahl, national director of the Center for Bioethics and Culture Network in Oakland. "But transhumanism begs the q
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I'm not suprised at all Mel and YOU should not feel stupid because so called "intellegensia" feel it neccessary to be mixed up with members of the ToV cult. Lets face it Ben Best is hardly a man of integrity and science - he never was and never will be. He has always been involved in cult-like groups like EST, Communes and all sorts of weirdo stuff. He is a "self-appointed&q
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Well Transvison 2010 let themselves down by allowing that Con Artist David "Langueasesta" Styles go ahead with his snake oil presentation - You would of thought Shannon Vyff (on the board of Transvision) might of tried to pull him being the person he is and who else is behind Eucrio (Temple of Vampires Adepts George C Smith and Erik Bourgouise). Video - Also Speaking in other
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I don;t know whats worse having dumb "misguded good intentions" thinking you are doing the right thing - or just being a plain dumb "tool". Those idiots who protest about genetically modified crops being grown in africa while people starve to death using "traditional farming" have "misguided good intentions" too! Ms Vyff is not dumb (she can write books
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I don't know why I am bothering - but lets just say that Shannon Vyff is incapable of telling the truth. She says - "I've never met Erik Bourgeoise, and didn't know he was, or if he is, COS or TOV. " Go Here: On Eriks Dutch Blog he claims to know her well enough to arrange dinner dates and as talked to her about her potentially going on Oprah Winfrey. I do
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There must be a name for Vyff's psychological disorder she really seems oblivious to all the dropped hints that no one on this website cares her childrens' activities, and she can't seem to refrain from rambling on about it! It's extremely weird, if you ask me!!! Also on the other recent expose - That too me looks like the whole thing is tied into the whole supplements/li
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More on Styles from Melody Maxim: "Do I really think David Styles is a devil-worshipper, or that he believes he's an immortal vampire? No...I think he's an attention-seeking scam artist, plain and simple.The only "scary" aspect of this news is the fact that he has been able to garner the support of people like Saul Kent, Catherine Baldwin, Ben Best, and other promin
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@ RRMOderator read again - Blush Apologies to rm moderator for having to step in. I just say stuff how i see it - BUT should be more careful when posting stuff up. I am grateful that on here we can discuss things freely as long as we respect the rules - sorry again.
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Maybe so However - its not just the financial scam as you said before AC, there is the also some weird occult, head twisting stuff too. Check this: Thats right - using vampire cults to push cryonics - you could NOT make it up...
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Ben responds to cryogirl allegations - + slags off the Rick Ross Institute Forum Members! "quote - The purpose of the "Cult Education Forum" is reportedly to investigate if cryonics is a cult. But from what I have seen the purported conclusion is really an assumption. A lynch mob is a kind of cult, and much of what is written there seems to be of a lynch-mob mentality"
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also someone sent me this link Rudi Hoffman video - and him saying how he is making money out of 83% of cryoncists in the world. Theres his interview here: "Of great concern, of course, are the details of cryonic estate planning. Including the question, “How do I find a trustee to manage and grow the money, who understands the concept of cryonics and my wishes, and who won’t run of
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Vyffs responses to cryonics factsheet PDATED - 18/10/10 It would appear that Shannon Vyff got involved in this by trying to "help" in a misguided way. She apologized for her part and we have included her side of the story below. IT DID look from the e-mails on the cryonics cache website that she had been involved in editing and head twisting. However in the sake of fairness we have
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more here:
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Yeah I think that was the stuff that was posted and then taken down again. Pretty sick stuff look's like these Cryonics People are not above messing around with families in a rather sinister way. It seems that Cryogirl had a lot of mental health issues and Vyff, Yount, Swank and Best were fucking with her head instead of helping her. The e-mails tell a story of how they funded her to set
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QuoteHi, I just copied you an email I sent to Eucrio. I am quite enthusiastic about the idea of cryonics (and I am not ruling out using it in the future) but I share with you some concerns about the way it is practiced. Keep up the good work... Kind regards B. Forwarded Message Dear David, I have always been interested in cryonics, so when I read that a new cryonics servi
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I agree with that AC - Cryoncist also bring up freezing of sperm and embryo's as proof that it can be a "science" - but take a look at this: Sounds very similar to what the cryonics salesmen are offering or does it? This is Real Cryobiology in action again - Look at the care they take over just freezing a few cells and how difficult it is to do - Again if you look at it it k
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heres a real Charity Ambulance service staffed by trained volunteers/professionals for comparison: St Johns
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More on Eucrio - cryonics factshhet
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- all the videos i could find on the Alcor/Ted williams/dora kent frozen allegations - And this: Thats the Charity that CRYONICSUK run - " "Activities The trustees’ description in their own words of what they do and who they help. The objects set out in a charity's governing document can sometimes be vague, general or expressed in outdated language. The way a charit
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Solicitors Opinion Of Cryonics Institute Agreement Documents. The documents can be found here: One of the Fellas who drinks in my pub is a Solicitor and being as I cater for his office parties - he agreed to have a look through for us and give us his opinion. I did not tell him what they were for - simply that someone I know had signed them and we wanted a laymans terms explanation of w
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Looks like Melody Maxim like what we are doing too! : "TO CRYONICISTS IN THE UK: Suspended Animation cannot get their luggage on a plane, even when they have overnight to prepare, much less transport your brain to the US, in a viable condition. SA will no longer name their staff members, or patient care providers, because most of the people known to have performed their procedures ha
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I argued that British Columbia had outlawed cryonics and was told that they hadn't and that I didnt understand the legal mumbo-jumbo - Glad to see i'm not crazy it is illegal - thanks for laymans terms! Cryonics Event in UK a "No Brainer" " TO CRYONICISTS IN THE UK: Suspended Animation cannot get their luggage on a plane, even when they have overnight to prepare,
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heres a link to the documents my group member on another forum recently signed: They are with the Cryonics Institute - im not going to pretend for one minute i understand the legal stuff so i am going to get a pal who is a solicitor to read them.
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apologies for the contact info post I or a freind might go along and see if your "psychic prediction" is correct - might be interesting to see if what we suspect is true...
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Mothermelter Saul Kent is also on his way to the UK Did Saul Kent kill his own mother in the name of cryonics? Check this link at about 5.50 he almost admits it: The event (from Cryonics UK) "Cryonics UK European Exposition with Saul Kent + Catherine Baldwin Thursday, September 23, 2010 • 12:00pm - 6:00pm, Sheffield • function room at the Sheffield Park Hotel Cryonics UK exposi
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