Fran, is a 30 something male, not a she. Francisco GONZALES is married to Kim.
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Some interesting questions come to mind: What exactly was Dave and co worker, Cherry doing at the Louise Samway Seminar anyway? How did they hear about the seminar and why, when they were complaining about the cost, did they manage to find $ 240 to register? Surely, when they seem to be concerned about being investigated themselves, they weren't trying to investigate some of their
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Dave posts on his site that he used the term the McKay family on Christmas tracts, while in Western Australia visiting his younger brother, who was visiting Perth on a Navy Ship. I post that information in connection with the list of names used by the group. I state the tracts were distributed in Fremantle (presumably, where Navy ships dock) and genius Dave decides that that's proof that
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I think if current members and their associates are really that serious about their personal details not being exposed. They might need to consider not participating in media articles, television shows, having Myspace sites, Facebooks, Blogs, etc, etc. Jinny carrying on like a chook about her details, but does anyone really think she isn't enjoying the attention?
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I think it's funny, that they believe the stuff they make up or when thay can't see past satire, but when we actually give them real information, they don't believe it. Rest assured Jinny, it easy to remember a particular date. I just think think of Jonestown. Wasn't it also the 18 November when Jim Jones lead his People Temple cult in a mass murder murder suicide? If yo
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I thought that because Dave thought he was onto something because of my use of one of the names associated with the Jesus Christians history, that I might run through a few more. Perhaps people could comment as to the accuracy and if they are aware of any other names. some names may not have been formally adopted by the cult, but may have been penned by journalists, etc. CURRENT NAME: Jesus
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The thing I find so amusing about Dave and his cronies, is that he appears so concerned about what we and others write and say about him. Even to the point of trying to identify posters and in a lot of cases, making an even greater fool of himself in the process. However, it is really his own writings that convict him. Apostate has given a good example above. It's pretty clear to any
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Jinny, Perhaps if you posted your real name and your birthdate it would help us, to help you, locate your file. We'd be suggesting a Freedom of Information Application to the, Home Office, Interpol, FBI, Secret Service, Immigration Authorities in various countries, Customs, Taxation Departments and Centrelink, to name but a few. Where rumour has it, a rather large dossier, including yo
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Dave's got himself convinced I am some one else and just in case he's wrong, he's suggesting that I could be his wife or son. He's even calling the other person a liar, because I am denying I am him. It's no secret, that I dislike Dave, but even I credited him with a bit more intelligence then this. The person to which he refers, is very open in his opposition to cults
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Well, if Dave keeps promoting that strategy to get the group to survive on even less. These so called, faith outreaches", we can expect the groups funds from book sales to be maximised even more. Living on less and more book sales, equals more travel and hence you can expect to see members turn up almost anywhere. Dallas certaintly has a few sources for Dave to sponge off as does New
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Wow, you got to hand it to Dave. He's a risk taker. Taking time out of his busy schedule saving the world. He's defamed someone, using his real name and the person he is defaming. He obviously hasn't read my Rick Ross post on 22 June 2007, entitled, It's a good thing David's not a Private Detective". Apparently, it all stems from my use of the term McKay fa
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hello, you asked whether Bob and Paul featured on the BBC site regards Freegans were members of the Jesus Christians. Yes they are. Bob originally hails from Manchester, hence the Manchester connection. A lot of Jesus Christians activities centre around the individual member's geographic profiles. You can draw your own conclusions about why that may be. The other member, is believed
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The last few days have really got me thinking about just how silly the Jesus Christians and some of their associates really are. Correct me if I am wrong. But it appears the Jesus Christians are basically saying the end of the world is nigh, that they are the only ones that have got it right and they are the only ones (one of the only ones?) that are following Jesus teachings. Then you go o
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Whilst I don't agree with the ex members personal details being posted. I do find it interesting that Zeusor has been able to locate about 40 ex members. I believe others, have identified approximately 30 more. So it certaintly puts paid to David's claim that ex member figures are not as high as has been previously claimed on this site. Hopefully, present members will begin to ques
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Zeusor, I believe any information about ex members should not be publicly posted without their permission. A lot of ex members don't want to be associated with the Jesus Christians in any way. Whilst we can't pretend they weren't part of the Jesus Christians history, we have to respect their rights to live as they wish to now (in private), unless they indicate a desire to become
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Josh, you are being over dramatic when you speak of collecting files on people who aren’t members of the Jesus Christians. We simply stated we had additional information on two individuals that hadn’t been Googled. However, it is fair to say that when you embark on research that spans over 60 years and involves cells activity in many countries, USA, Australia, India, Israel, Kenya and the UK.
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Josh I will make this as simple as I can for you: There has been a lot of research conducted on the Jesus Christians that goes beyond Googling. We chose not to publish everything publicly, but what is learnt will be submitted to the appropriate bodies and authorities at the right time. Now can you understand the first paragraph? Okay, moving on. In relation to Glenn and Jinny, we a
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Rick, Sorry, I meant to respond to your comments the other day. You’re quite right, when people don’t give Diva Dave what he wants, he becomes nasty. As you also quite rightly pointed out, maybe the Quakers will recall the analogy of a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I actually recall another story about a big bad wolf that didn’t reveal his true nature, until little Red Riding Hood start
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I have been asked by quite a few people, to respond to Jinny and Josh’s comments over at Jesus Christians: There is potentially a pool of over 60 ex members (yep, we’ve upped the ante again) to draw on, throughout the world. Then start adding their relatives and friends and others that may have been affected by their experience with the Jesus Christians. Churches that were infiltrated for exam
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Yes, there is a point Jinny, but clearly you’re missing it. Perhaps if you can’t handle the heat, it’s time to get out of the kitchen. If you’ve met Dave twice, and on that basis you’re prepared to give him a free voice. At best your discernment is questionable and at worse it’s terribly misguided. You actually started this. You’re prepared to dish it out and let others dish it out, But
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Malcolm, I couldn’t have sung it better myself! I am actually thinking of taking back that suggestion for you to look at David’s participation in a reality TV programme. David would be far too busy, as he appears to have carved out a successful role for himself in a pantomime. After all, can you or anyone else, believe the Jesus Christians site at the moment? Now you know my inter
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Yes, Dave M was certaintly influenced a great deal by the Children of God. Certaintly a great deal more than he lets on. In 1962 when Dave M was only 17 he was employed as a carrier boy for the Sacramento Union newspaper. He married his wife on the 24 July 1964 in Yolo County, California, when he was 19. His first son was born in May 1965 in Yolo County, California (name and date deliber
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In response to questions off the board: Ptolemy Glenn apparently told the Jesus Army Online Forum on the 15 June 2007 that he was working for a Government Security Agency. I am aware that his blog currently lists him as working for Tiffany & Co. The racist concerns about him, that he speaks off on the Jesus Christians site are probably in relation to his postings on forums, such
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Wow, David his story gets more interesting by the minute. This recently added by him on the thread about smoking on the Jesus Christians website: “Living in community 24/7 first came to me back in the 1960s when I worked with Dave Wilkerson in New York City. We were working in the first successful program for heroin addicts, called Teen Challenge, and it worked because the people we worked wit
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I was only just wondering the other day, whether Glenn's employer might be concerned whether he was accessing the Internet whilst at work. Apparently he is, judging by Glenn's post under tolerance at the Jesus Christians site and the three day rest he is now having. It's a problem in the Security Industry generally, that a lot of Security Officers often neglect their posts and
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Rick, I don't think Apostate was intending to be hard on the Quakers. I just think he was just demonstrating the comments that David was himself making about the Quakers. The things that David accuses the Quakers of doing, are the same things that the JC's themselves have been guilty of. Everybody on this board, comes from different backgrounds, but I think most would generally
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Memories may be beautiful and yet, what’s too painful to remember we simply chose to forget. Seems David thinks that the numbers being quoted regarding ex members is not correct: Quote: "Someone has said forty, which sounds like an exaggeration". Is Diva Dave really serious? My guess is he’s either deeply embarrassed and his ego can’t handle the truth or we are
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Looks like there may have been a change of policy that ex members aren't aware of, over at Jesus Christians. David must be paying a daily allowance for breakfast, lunch and dinner to members, so they do have a choice not to eat garbage. Apparently, members don't have to hand over their belongings to him either. Perhaps it was all in everyone's imagination. Just thought I&#
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QuoteThe Quakers are a means of "legitimacy" for David McKay, nothing else. Whilst, I agree generally with your post, Malcolm, I think the Quaker connection is more than just a means of "legitimacy". I think the opportunities the Quakers generate for increasing the Jesus Christians fundraising potential is probably even more important.
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I think the whole concept of organ donations is very commendable, if there is no hidden agenda or coercion involved. However, there must be tremendous pressure felt by Jesus Christians' members who haven’t donated, to donate. There appears to be an “organized” push to have them involved or attend events like Transplant Games, with members that have donated. Imagine wearing the s
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