Aghast, I will make the assumption that you are genuine and are one of Dave's brothers. Even if you are not, your post does provide people with an opportunity to express their true feelings on this matter. Firstly, I would like to state that I am not David Lowe. That is just one of the many lies Dave tells about posters on this forum. Also this thread tends to be a mix of factual i
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Over the years Dave has chopped and changed/reversed his opinions and associations depending on the current mood and opposition he faces. He actually excommunicated Sydney once. His current writings suggest that he is backing out of the Quakers. Far better to leave justifying they were never on the right track anyway, then to be dumped. In May 1984 Dave McKay distributed a two page ‘statemen
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Hey Zeuszor thanks for being so open to take constructive criticism. Likewise, I always appreciate constructive feedback, even if it includes criticism. However, I thought you would have had enough criticism from this fellow. Without getting it from us: "He is an articulate and pedantic fellow who can dance around the point of a pin as well as anyone". Journalist, Jeff Corbett
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Well, perhaps Rick Ross's explanation of the purpose of the Message Board may provide some answers: Quote: "An Open Forum for discussion about controversial groups, movements, leaders and related subjects. A place for former members, those concerned and researchers to network, debate, discuss topics of interest and comment on breaking news and exchange ideas." It appears t
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I don't see a threat of suicide in his messages. I think he is basically saying if we are so intent on seeing the end of the Jesus Christians, why don't we just get someone to kill them? In this case, he is again suggesting Brian. He pushing the old message that we hate him, that we want to kill him, etc, etc. Heard it all before. As usual he will not address the many, many ge
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Dogmother, it is interesting that you should raise this question after I commented on David's alleged ability to act as a parasite on a willing host. Quote: "The Kyle Show should be interesting and I don't understand why McKay agreed to do it other than that he always craves publicity and rushes to it wherever he can get it. Apparently he pocketed $700 to buy chocolates (sic)
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Quakers should be congratulated on their moves to distance themselves from Dave McKay and the Jesus Christians. The reputation of the Quakers will continue to be tarnished as long as this group is associated with the Quakers. As many have said, the Quakers are being used as a way to gain legitimacy, to use as a front social project (Kenya) and gain funds. McKay has talked for years about forsa
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Matilda, I have a lot of respect for all the agencies you mentioned and I assist many from time to time, with information and/or financial assistance. However, I stand by my comments. In fact it is my contact with a lot of them that makes me even more confident to stand by my comments. The organisations mentioned understand cults and so they are aware that the Jesus Christians are a cult. They
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My contribution to this discussion is that I believe the counter cult organisations virtually no nothing about Dave McKay and the Jesus Christians other then what they have read in the newspapers, on forums or perhaps discussions they may have had with concerned parents. Don't take my word for it. Ask them to provide you with some material and see what you get. Brian has obtained a lot of
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Blackhat, in regards to lists, Dave will simply argue the technicalities of whether people have been psychologically coerced, abducted or are simply exercising their own choice to become involved in the Jesus Christians. But here he admits to having had a special group of members, who didn’t have a choice. The following excerpt is taken from a “Dave Letter”, dated August 2003 which was add
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Over the years Dave has commented a lot on the more vocal apostates that have left the group and the silence of the others. I have been reading Dave’s spin on the Jeremy Kyle Show and he includes this paragraph: “In 25 years, there must be dozens of people who have left the Jesus Christians, who could have been produced as more reliable witnesses against us than Malcolm. David Lowe claims to
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Free of DM. I have checked all your links and note that the posts I acknowledged are also included on your links, although the thrust of your posts appeared to be re Tyrannus. So you are correct, you did bring the posts to our attention first. So thank you, again. I guess I have to apologise for acknowledging Zeuszor instead of you? So apologies. Feel free to PM me if there is any confusion i
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Free of DM. The post I acknowleged was nothing to do with your Tyrannus posts. The posts Zeuszor mentioned related to Dave being kicked off the Academic section for trying to find out how many ex COG members were still following the Lord. Dave then moved to the Gen X section, where he was challenged, by what one would assume are ex COG members. These were the posts on the site I was acknowledg
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Free of DM. I understand what you are saying now! You want to be credited with letting the board know of the actual ex family site details first, not the particular post on it, that I was acknowledging Zeuszor for bringing to our attention. Most people who have studied cults for a number of years and particularly, the Children of God would be aware of the site and do monitor it. However, if
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Free of DM Quote: "Wen U say 'We appreciate your contribution.' Wat dose dat mean? Da 'We' ting? Da Qween and big men speeks dat way. Sory fo intrudin man in yo yard." Well, I'm no Qween (sic). So I guess that puts me in the big men category.lol. But seriously, I simply meant I am sure everyone here (people who read the site) appreciate's your
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Free of DM Quote: "Oy brite eyes, Zeuszor neva drawed no tention to DAT site man. Git ur fax strait! Ay did" My facts are straight. I was responding to Zeuszor's post on November 21, 2007: Zeuszor Quote: "DM has been posting here too. And making a jerk of himself as usual. (www.exfamily.org) If you also brought that site to our attention or boug
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Thanks for your first post, firstplumbline. Now there's a sentence. No doubt Dave will be calling you Mr Lowe by tomorrow. But don't worry, he calls everybody he can't identify that. Judging by his recent attempts at dialogue on the Ex Family of God site, some of them are fairly aware of his alleged links to the Family. Thank you for drawing our attention to that site, Ze
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It's gone and in its place is an online Catholic bookstore. Well, maybe Daves decided to ditch the Quakers and become a Catholic. No hang on a minute, didn't he already do that in May 1986 along with a few of the others?
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I don't know who suggested the idea of the programme or whether the producers thought of it themselves (perhaps someone in the know could comment?). However, congratulations to everyone that was involved. I personally had concerns about the show as I felt it would just give ole Dave another opportunity to have his ego massaged. He appears to thrive on publicity whether it's negative
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Prior to joining the board there were 111 largely negative pages of posts regarding David McKay and the Jesus Christians. There are now 163. Getting things into perspective I have no more fuelled Dave McKay’s persecution complex, than anyone else. If Dave has a problem in that area, he needs to deal with it, examine his own behaviour and ask himself why he is the object of criticism and what s
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It seems that these posts have ended up as a seperate thread. Hopefully, Rick can reposition them under the Jesus Christians thread. Thank you for your comments, hello I also appreciate your support. I agree too that Apostate's posts have been very helpful. Particularly as he has been able teach us more about what it was like to be in Dave's cult and how he dealt and is still dealing
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I've decided to rise to the challenge and reveal more about Lisa Simpson. Let's see now: She lives in Springfield and plays the Saxophone. Her Father, Homer apparently...loves donuts. Her Mother, Marge has shocking blue hair. Her brother Bart, well there's a dude known for his, "badness". She also has a little sister called, Maggie. Better go,
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Zeusor, I glad you chose to clarify those matters. I was intending to ask you, whether I could post that you were a Medic. Actually, I think you got off quite litely being described as a Marine or Commando. It's a wonder he didn't call you a sniper. So the real issue is: If he lying to his members about this issue. Just how many other lies is he telling them, in his efforts to
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Hoping flattery will get me everywhere. Another, very good post Apostate. I’d like to think you’re not opposed to me rather that you have simply disagreed or taken issue with some of the things I have done. Which is fair enough and I will certainly take your comments onboard, Whilst I agree with Apostates comments regarding Dave’s flattery tactics, I think it is guilt, fear and intimidation
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What a courageous post for cait to make, probably knowing full well she will probably have to bear the brunt of Dave's further actions and sanctions because of it. I meant to comment previously on this quote of Dave's (if I can call him that): QuoteFamilies where children are abused, sexually, physically, and psychologically, still do what they can to convince neighbours and the g
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A girl, let’s call her Lisa, writing on the 14 September 2007: Quote: "Am I to then presume you do NOT have that information about me? Can't have looked that hard then, as my real name and address isn't that hard to find on the internet!" Then on Thursday 20 September 2007: Quote: "Outing" someone on the internet is bad form. Posting my rea
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No problems, Jack. It just demonstrates how a piece of information can be helpful in clarifying matters. I am sure that Fran would rather be known by what I have stated, rather than being referred to as a female. Of course talk of life stories is a gross exaggeration. If you want to see Jesus Christians life stories, don't look to me. I'm making like the three wise monkeys. Simpl
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From now on, they will be known as, "those who cannot be named". And because D & C are also members, perhaps we could just refer to them as, Mr & Mrs Annoited Apostle. Of course I can no longer comment on ex members who may have leadership aspirations, given we can't name them either. Now about those teachings and other matters we can discuss. Feel
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Apostate, I am sure that you will understand that I don’t appreciate being compared to Dave. It is also a style of writing I am familiar with and I am sure that Dave won’t hesitate to use discussions, such as this, to his advantage. I recall Rick Ross addressing Zeusor and stating no lists of group members would be allowed. Is he actually saying that no information at all about individual grou
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If Rick Ross Forum participants feel JC member information should be protected, I suggest they write directly to Dave. I believe it is Dave that releases the most personal information about his members. I note Vicki, one of the parents of two children, who along with her children, weren't on the list that doesn't exist. But the JC's publicise they are home schooled, etc. Zoe
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