Apostate, you are not talking to yourself and don't worry about those voices that you keep hearing, either. That's just the sound of an appreciative audience. I still believe though that Dave wins hands down when it comes to writing the most damaging material about himself and the Jesus Christians. Calling Mothers who love their children and who are genuinely concerned for their w
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A new article regarding the situation with the Jesus Christians in relation to Kenya has surfaced. Melbourne Herald Sun, "Missionaries flee after rioters attack homes" by Godfrey Olukya in Kampala, Uganda January 17, 2008 11:49pm. Mentions four Australian Jesus Christians, who are described as Missionaries. Described as currently being in Uganda. Makes no mention of the Jesus Chri
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I just wanted to demonstrate that things are not always what they seem at the Jesus Christians site. Jack recently replied to another post (on this site), admitting who he was. He is after all, using his real name. However, on the Jesus Christians site, he appears to be denying it. Let's see how it was done: Dave quotes Jack as saying: "I have been many things to many people
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Just checked Lyodspi Kenya's website again. It's definetely still going, as it was when I checked it last and Edward still has LLB after his name. The list of activities I mentioned still remains and debt collecting still doesn't feature that prominently in relation to any other. But in fairness to Dave (as he said), he hasn't seen the website. Not good journalism or rese
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Apostate and cultmalleous, thank you for sharing information about how Dave's actions and teachings have affected children in the "community" over the years. One of the things I was looking into recently was the pedophile who surfaced in India and Dave's response to that issue. I couldn't find any articles that would support the claim that he was handed over to Federal
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Blackhat Quote: "So Malcolm, You are saying that when Private Eyes posts hateful stuff, it is because he is quoting David? I like that! PE, you had better get that disclaimer together for your next posting....hehehe." Hey guys, I have been quoted as saying a few times, that Dave's writings speak volumes about him and does the Jesus Christians more damage than anything
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Blackhat Quote: "DM has posted what he purports to be an email to Sheila from a company in Kenya, back in May '07. Assuming it is genuine, could it be that one of her own family unwittingly fed information to Joe/David, perhaps on some kind of promise to have contact with Joe? Who else would have access to her emails? What mother wouldn't try to find her son? " Lloyd
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Apostate - Quote: "The Quakers should be warned to pick up any bibles Dave leaves behind when they are having meetings to look for a tape recorder inside like he used on the Uniting Church in Medowie, and like he did in the phonecall that Christine made and then publicised on their website." I found that comment very interesting, Apostate. Tape recorders in Bibles! But look at
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It gets a bit tedious having to defend myself against Dave's continual efforts to discredit his critics. Particularly, as I was trying to not post so often on the Rick Ross Forum and instead encourage ex members to have a greater say. But here we go: Once again I will state that I am not David LOWE. I Have never met him, nor have I spoken to him or written to him, to the best of my kno
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Thank you Apostate and cultmalleus for sharing just how incompatible the Jesus Christians teachings and way of life is with the Quakers. I do hope the Quakers attending the Australian Yearly Meeting will take note of your comments. Your views are formed from many years of actually being members of the Dave's cult and having participated in some of the alleged deceptions. As Apost
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Blackhat, the Australian Quaker Yearly Meeting is being held now in Melbourne. It runs from Saturday the 5 to the Saturday 12 of January 2007. Quite frankly, I'm glad Dave's not writing that much on Zoe's site. Given that most of what he writes is nonsense. The whole Jesus Christians site seems pretty much to be preoccupied with responding to what Rick Ross forum posters wr
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Given it's still the holidays in most parts of the World and people may have a bit more time to read. I thought I'd share a few thoughts about some books I read lately. They are designed to be humorous, but you may be able to pick up a few things regarding what we have been discussing lately. Like how people may follow someone they haven't met and whether the Bible should be follow
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Speaking of checking radios and consulting logbooks. Can everybody please check there is space in your private message folders to accept new messages. Thank you. "Don't look for the light at the end of the tunnel. Grab a torch or a candle and make your own".
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Quote: private eyes Excerpted from, “Something to Say”, circa August 2002 (emphasis mine) Quote: sWord: I couldn't find this on the net. Is it from something on paper? SWord, "Something to Say" is one of the articles contained in, "Leadership" by Dave McKay. ISBN: 9966755322. Printed by Repromen, Chennai, South India, 2003. According to the summary it is, &
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The only information Dave appears to be interested in. Wants his followers to be interested in and also promoting. Is his own words: “I believe that the members of our community are largely convinced that they have a special message from God himself. It just so happens that it has come first through me. They are happy to repeat it in their own words to others outside the community, but they ha
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The supposed threats against a family member of an associate of the Jesus Christians seen a bit far fetched. I've never heard of a potential cult member being discouraged from joining a cult, by threatening to expose details of one of the subject's family members. Dave has made inferences that because the subject has claimed to have received an email with such a threat. That it must
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Blackhat, Thank you for the post regarding how David is once again trying to control parents by telling them who and who they cannot converse with. With the added threat that if they don't tow his line, they will miss out on information about their son. Quakers please take note of your pacifist, Dave. I was fascinated too, that my reference on the 2 January to him not having next of kin d
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Dogmother (quote): "I can believe, however, that everyone spent "long hours getting out a lot of literature." Nice way to take a Holiday. Did you get out a lot of literature yourself Dave?" I am not sure if Dave answered your question, Dogmother. But Dave doesn't exactly have a good track record with literature distribution. Yet I must say, that it does offer
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The current situation in Kenya is just one example of where the Quakers involvement with the Jesus Christians could bring discredit to the organisation. On what appears to be the official Takatifu Gardens website, there is no mention made of the Jesus Christians. In fact it states: “Takatifu Gardens is associated with local Quakers”. Whether those local Quakers are in fact the Jesus Chr
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Just wanted to take this opportunity to thank everybody for their help throughout the year. A real spirity of co-operation is occuring and I think people are recognising that if we work together, greater inroads can be made. The difficulty with taking on the cults is that the Leaders will attempt to destroy the credibility of their critics, by whatever means possible. We've seen many exam
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Quote: "I was never in the JC's when they started distributing books. The best ever distributor of tracts was one woman, who has long ago left, who secretly kept a bank account and kept topping up her "donies" from it. She was thought to be a real "shiner" of a disciple. She would get out 200 tracts with 20 cent average donies (from memory). She made every
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jason 25. I am neither Dave McKay or David Lowe. Care to share who you are?
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zeuszor, I think some of the questions are raising are very good and allow others to contribute. You however, make the mistake of mentioning again something you learnt on the phone and I think that is best is you tried not to bring that matter up again. I also feel some of the language used on the forum (not only from you) and personal comments are unecessary and only help to foster the perse
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Blackhat, There was an article in a New Zealand newspaper in September 2007 entitled, "Kidney donor Christians make 'ultimate gift' It related the story of Paul HENRY's kidney "donation". In it Roland GIANSTEFANI was referred to as Roland PHILLIPS. Dave says the name was "made up" by the reporter. He is probably writing as we speak to the newspaper to co
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Jack, the intention of any contact was to gain legitimate biographical information. Dave has made various claims over the years and with further information we are in a position to test the validity of those claims. As you pointed out yourself it is quite appropriate when you have public figures to have research conducted on their background. However, the information that was gained was more a
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Jack, the photo attachment, which I didn't notice at first, indicates the location of the brother. It was aghast's way of letting those who have researched the family know that he was genuine, without saying specifically. You will recall some Forum members asked for proof that he was a brother of Dave. I think Rob is right to be upset and he just wants to protect his Mother. That
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Oops, I just realised I goofed. I just looked at that newspaper photo from Port Orange, I should have said realised it was Rob posting, not Dale. Not sure if Dale reads the forum, but if he does...apologies Dale. I meant to say Rob as he is closer.
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MY VIEW: I believe Dale made his point in his first post. He and his Mother wish to be left alone. End of story. His second post however, had the potential to inflame, as he makes the mistake of joining in on the argument and seeks to be divisive. His right of course. But you reap what you sow. It is an open forum and people have expressed their views both publicly and privately to each
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Back in June I alerted forum readers to an article that I saw and thought it might be good for people to take a look at it. I included an excerpt so that people could get a taste of what it was about. I see Dave has twisted my post, saying something along the lines of, this is the best quote quote I could get on him. Rubbish of course, the post was purely designed to let people know about the art
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FunkyPunkyG. Cool name! Firstly, I am definetely not going to take any responsibility for Zseusor's post re your Father. Not my bad. I do believe that it was concern due to misinformation. Wasn't it Mark Twain who said, "reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated", after a false report that he was dead? I am sure, you know who, is taking his foot out of hi
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