VThirteen thank you for your post. The child they were referring to was probably Danny the child of Sue and Roland Gianstefani, although I note that Sue used the surname Ellis in the Jon Ronson documentary. Whilst he has grown up with the group as did David's own children, other minors not family members have been joined the group. One of the Nullabors walkers from India was only 12 and R
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From the text of Excommunicated: QuoteIn 1976, I was working as a humble journalist for the Barrier Miner in Broken Hill, New South Wales. From the Barrier Miner's history on the web: QuoteThe Barrier miner continued until 1974 when after 86 years of publication the Barrier Miner (elder) ceased production". Mmm, I wonder if that's where David first got the idea of not wor
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It's a good thing David not a Private Detective. His clients would be asking for their money back. QuoteAny guesses who Privy is? For someone who has such a disdain for Rick Ross, David sure spends a lot of time here. It appears because I suggested people who need help dealing with the Jesus Christians or have information to pass on, could contact CCG Ministeries, he must think I am Adr
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"Beware those groups that Deceive" is an article that appeared in the Long Beach Press Telegram (CA) on November 25, 2006. It is a commentary column written by Pamela Hale-Burns from a Christian perspective and the subject matter is, the Jesus Christians. Here's a taste: QuoteI remember seeing, as a child, the many who followed a self proclaimed servant of God, Jim Jones, al
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There was an article on the Jesus Christians (then known as simply Christians) in the, Worcester Telegram Gazette, entitled, "Modern-Day Jeremiahs at Target Zero". The article was written by James Dempsey and appeared on September 12, 1990. It gives the names of four members (some now ex members) who were travelling together from Sacramento and reveals that David Mc Kay was a hospita
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Jack I don't know if you also saw the Fox 11 programme, Fox 11, Investigates the Jesus Christians. It showed Sherian aka Cherry, being whipped. I wonder if the Australian Government are exercising their "duty of care", when the person they are paying and in whom they are entrusting her care, is prepared to watch her being whipped.
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Zeusor, I think the comment from Dave relates to him seeing us as wolves. He's telling the sheep to stick together, so that the wolves don't devour them if they stray from the flock. In a nutshell, he's afraid of losing members who listen to us.
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An article entitled, Our Globe-Circling Newspaperboys, appeared in the Salisbury Times Newspaper on 13 October 1962. It gives the story of the around the world trip that Dave won as one of the top prize winners at America's First National Newspaperboy Convention. The really sad thing about this article, is that even then (1962) Dave relied on himself to get his own publicity. You see the
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For the ex member raising concerns about the Jesus Christians infiltration of Churches. I suspect that David probably learnt this strategy by following the Children of God teaching contained in David Berg's letter (834), "It's time to Invade the Churches".
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David doesn't like his dirty laundry be aired in public, so he's desperately trying to play with ex members minds. You could argue he's trying to keep all in, The Family. David's latest offering on his flame thread has been trying to compare his damage or lack of it, during his claimed three month membership in the Children Of God, to the damage claimed by ex members of the
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They may have left, but that hasn't stopped Dave from continuing to damage ex members. In a thread appropriately entitled, 'damaged' ex members, on his website he argues that ex members are leaving, only because they're stubborn. QuoteThese guys are now out there because they are pretty stubborn about not cooperating So all there have it. Ex members concerns about th
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I love your subject heading, Everybody has to "forsake all" except David. This truly could be a case of, all people are equal, except some are more equal than others. In a list of grievances posted from ex members to Dave, Item 13 states, "David falsely claims to have "forsaken all", while living in a government flat provided by Australian welfare". Dave
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I wonder how much each book sold for? Let's say that some people gave a few cents and some people gave $ 5 to $ 10. It would be reasonable to assume an average of $ 2 a book. Times that by a 1 million copies. I'd be regularly flying around the world too, if I had that sort of money!
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From the Jon Ronson, Documentary, Kidneys for Jesus. Quote"If he believes that this is the expression of Christianity, than he's got it wrong. I think he's getting older and desperate that the worlds not hearing him and it just makes him look in some ways pathetic" David Milliken, Cult Expert Quote"...He can come up with something tomorrow that's going t
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Furry Faerie, in regards to transfers of cash. It's illegal if people carry it on their person.
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I wonder if David will still be claiming a Carers benefit whilst he is spending his 3 months apart from Cherry each year?
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From, A Letter from a Brother (a JC Publication): "Don't be discouraged by all that I've said, but learn from my mistakes. None of us are so spiritual that we're not tempted by what our families do to entice us back to the system; but with God's help and a lot of prayer we can stand firm and not give in when those fiery arrows are coming our way".
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Everyone has probably heard of, and many have used the journalistic inquiry formula that asks, who, what, where, when, how and why. This familiar approach can be a truly essential guide for almost any investigative effort. Half a story is as good as no story at all.
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If they follow and obey him, they're a folllower. If they follow and criticise him, they're a stalker. Dave's good at using insults to silence his critics. They're backslidden, not in the spirit, bitter, persecuting him, divisive, etc, etc. Anything that stops them telling a story different from his.
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Apostate, thank you for your input. I am sure Zeusnor and I don't want to be doing all the talking on here. I agree that there is a lot of information on the site about matters I have raised. I have gone through all the posts and am categorising all the information I have from here and other forums, sources, etc under subject headings. However, there needs to be a lot more detail. As I
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In the course of my inquiries, some interesting questions have emerged. Cash couriering. Does anyone know anything about how cash is transferred from country to country by the group, given it is illegal to transfer large amounts of cash? VisasDoes anyone know about the visas used to visit countries, given that certain visa's restrict people carrying out work, preaching, etc Alleged
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I was curious about him as he seems to be mentioned a lot over at JC's. I've noticed David's issued another post about you. He's stiil going on about his bank manager and his rubbish. When did anyone say they were going to speak to his bank manager or go through his rubbish? He suggested stalking now. Interesting seeing he keeps a fairly good eye on his critics and reveal
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Without comprimising their personal security: What's happened to Rachel the adopted daughter of David Mc Kay? She seems to have been written out of JC history. I know she's left, but is she okay, did she marry, does she still live in Australia or did she go back to India? Dane the guy who wasn't officially part of the Nullaboor walkers but joined in when he heard about the wa
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The quote about the rope is quite interesting in light of David's own post on Thursday 5 April. Writing about his critics, he writes, "we have been giving them enough rope to hang themselves". Imagine if we started suggesting he's encouraging us to commit suicide. Ridiculous suggestion I know, but the type of tactics he adopts.
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Dave likes to promote the, "them versus us mentality". Unfortunately, you made a bad choice of words, saying, "take him out", for example. But it's good you're going on record as saying you mean no one any harm. Dave wants everyone in the cult to think everyone who posts on the RR Fourum hates them. Criticised, is replaced with persecuted. He also likes to mak
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Zeusnor, because you've expressed an interest in Sue. You might be interested to know that Sue has been posting very regularly at Snopes.com under the name, Question-why. It's on the kidney donating topic. Sue arguing that she's not being coerced into donating a kidney, writes "I was a member for 20 years before I decided to donate a kidney". Fails to mention of cour
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Zeusor, I think you have to tread very carefully here. Dave's already suggested some of your words, are indications that you want to murder him. He and his followers spend a lot of time looking at this site and he likely to turn your request into an indication that your compliling a hit list. Just wanted to clarify I should have said partners instead of couples towards them end of
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Looks like a guy called David from New Zealand on the hook over at Jesus Christians. Here's a guy who has a 2 year old son and a wife who is 8 months pregnant and is thinking whether he should be going out in faith, Jesus Christians style! Of course everybody's sending him helpful bible verses to aid his thinking process. The posts under, Family are quite interesting in that David NZ
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Cinderella, I couldn't find a link in Kenya. However, I suggest you contact Rev Adrian van Leen in Australia. Adrian is known as, the Policeman of Christianity. He has been studying religious groups, such as the Jesus Christians for many, many years. He is not into deprogramming and has no baggage in the way of a seedy past,etc and has tons of educational qualifications in religious stud
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Oiseaux, regarding your involvement with the Quakers. Perhaps you could explore further the extent (amounts) and purpose of the Quakers financial support for the Jesus Christians and to which entity they are directing the funds. By all means let us know what you find. I am sure Dave won't mind being held accountable and his dealings being transparent. After all he's fairly keen on
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