Yes....I have never had any contact with the gentleman in question ....I have to wonder if he excitedly dons a black shirt whenever he is communicating with David .... it must be so galling to have been born 100 years too late in history ... ....an association with the revolutionary 'zeitgeist' of the all conquering Jesus Christians DOES though at least offer some balm for the soul .
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I arrived in Tallangatta (Northern Victoria) on Christmas Day, 1981 and left at the conclusion of the walk across the Nullarbor in mid 1985 (at that point the group were situated in Sydney ...
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I cannot verify identifies here....however what you allege is perfectly plausible. The author of 'Bitter Winter' NEVER genuinely communicates with ex - members and is another minor 'head-job' David has collected in his life journeys who lies to himself that in his 'greatess' he is nobly defending the activities of falsely 'oppressed' organisations ... Massi
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Fran is still a member of the Jesus Christians, isn't he? Still now a leader???....he lived up to the content of his article, then.....he will certainly no longer be any nature of 'nice-guy'.... .... personally 'invested' in the make believe that the Jesus Christians represent an improvement on the religious organisations they routinely belittle...
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Naturally...I am more than happy to brief you on my experiences (in the 'Christians' back then)....perhaps you might do the same! As you were in the group 'over 20 years ago'...you would have been there around the time of the Split when David felt threatened enough by some minor expressions of 'independence' that he forced the removal of most of the Community (in
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Ummm ....thanks for posting up the material ... certainly a tragic development in Kenya ... the deliberations in the Kenyan Senate (or elsewhere) identifying the Jesus Christians as a contributing element to the depredation of McKenzie would be a more telling link, I feel... (Naturally no-one would give any 'self - declarations' on the part of the Jesus Christians, any credibility w
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As is often the case ...I should be down on Edgars Creek this week (behind the Scout Hall at 85 Mountview Road) urgently weeding and then mulching out some of the beds of Native Plants that have been put down there... This coming Wednesday (I think in the mid afternoon...I am a little dependent on traffic conditions .. due to the fact that I am collecting the mulch to deposit in the first instan
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Oh!....but here IS an example of a far more genuine apology that I can actually provide to you, David .... concerning a simpering cunt named David Grimshaw. The bastard came up to me at Melbourne University (after I had left the group) to ascertain whether or not I knew if you were going to take any sort of 'action' against you... legal or otherwise... I should have just immediately be
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It is 'rare' for you to apologize sincerely, David! I can personally think of only one occasion ...however the examples you give here are BOTH incidences of staged behaviour designed and concocted to falsely persuade the world at large that you are truly 'penitent' ...which you are not whatsoever.
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YES! ..as you point out Dave...YOU apologizing for your behaviour IS indeed a 'rarity' ....I can only assume that this is yet another glimpse of some transactional relationship that is all you seem capable of now ...this effort is intended to duplicitiously impress the courts??? ..or the police?? ...or someone in the media?? (.. who covered your recent court loss???) We were friends
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Would have prefered to have seen McKay and the Jesus Christians also get a mention here .... But a decent sort of start...
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I am a little more 'downbeat' on cause & effect.... I am assuming (and of course, I could be mistaken) that is McKay Inc. setting out on the usual practice of church infiltration... Playing Mackenzie for all that they could get out of him (i.e. having Mackenzie's membership clandestinely dumping him...in order to become enslaved in the Jesus Christians). . they would both be eg
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Legal restrictions on the activities of those organisations that might possibly be associated with McKenzie (...I write of course, of the Jesus Christians and it's engagement with McKenzie through the speakers it could be seen to have contributed to any of McKenzie's worship services prior to the ritual suicide by mass starvation) IS really one of the paths forward here...
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ZERO chance that they will ever 'see the light'... however as McKay nears the end of his alloted years on this world.... a beacon of light may be forcibly shone into their pupils with his departure. Cherry will admit to no responsibility for the all the personal hardships and heart-aches that she has condoned down the years with her sniveling silence .. but there would be some natur
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I would be more critical of Christine McKay and other long term 'leaders' within the JC's who have sold their souls (knowingly!) for the pittance of administrative power that McKay doles out to those who pledge 'allegiance' to/ worship him (...the JC definition of 'worship' is the hoary old Children of God benchmark...of who you give your time to).... I liken
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Cherry would be virtually 'brain-dead' now having to force herself to 'parrot' the official line that her children (Kevin, Sheri and Gary) who have rejected her husband's 'overlord-ship' in their lives .... Have done so owing to their recalcitrant 'rebelliion against God's so-called will... She has 'lobitomized' her own soul in order to avoid
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Hi XKrishna, Thank you for your thoughts! I imagine that David has always been vain ... He has since also chosen to 'jettison' any humanity that he might have once held...
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Thanks XKrishna, McKay of course will only disingenously pass this off as yet more 'evidence' of the secular world oppressing his (un)Godly message ... however it is pointless now to think McKay can be reasoned with, as effectively... 'Crime pays ... And pays WELL!' .. as he would have thought to himself for many a year now... (I here agree with you, that the 'sensi
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I realise that you are far more adept than I with websites and obtaining information over the internet Xkrishna ... I would be grateful if you post the public connection to the debate within the Kenyan Senate onto the RRForum... We would of course like to see EVERY national jurisdiction where the JC's are active... also adopt such legislation ... (The Australian New Year will take plac
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Which is EXACTLY what has been required for many a year.... and while McKay will endeavour simply to move into Tanzania (or wherever) and then return re-badged as the 'Christians Jesus' (or whatever subterfuge he thinks might successfully disguise himself by).... with a bogus leader installed purely to avoid public association with him and Sherry... ....it has fact become THAT much m
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Hi Xkrishna, If you don't mind too greatly ..I would prefer to keep any communication with Mr Muthiora off these pages .. in full public view, just for the moment ... However to bring a related matter into the conversation I now quote from a report officially, before the Senate of the Republic of Kenya. .. 'Investigate with a view to expel from the Republic of Kenya any foreign p
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Hmmmm... I've been fortunate enough to have been introduced to a gentleman by the name of Mwangi Muthiora ...with whom I hope to have ongoing 'intetesting' conversations about David McKay and his cult's activities... There was a truly fascinating debate (and subsequent passage of legislation) in the Kenyan Senate not so long ago... I ADORED one particular little gem...
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Hi! Do you mean this story...?
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Well...in no small way due to Ms Spencer...it IS a 'Merry Christmas' that I can wish all and sundry!. Season's Greetings and a toast to the public demise of McKay and the exposure of his poisonous hatred ...
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Would anyone be able to link the story in today's (Sunday 24th December) Melbourne Age to this site? May need to subscribe to the Age in order to pull this off... Simple but factual account ... McKay as usual will lie to himself (and to his 'indentured labourers') that he is being 'persecuted for righteouness's sake'... and that he is suffering all 'manner
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...Has David McKay been subject to .... or earned a 'Contempt of Court' order? There is still no 'come back' on the JC website belittling the proceedings and impugning Ms Spencer,her legal advocates and the 'bias' of the courts .... I guess McKay is still licking his wounds ...the 'silence' is a little untypical though, I feel... Were we able to get a
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Oh...and of course, all kudos to the good Ms Spencer who was had the tenacity to follow this matter through an unenviable court process. She has bravely displayed genuine leadership in confronting McKay and I sincerely thank her. (I actually think she will have 'strengthened her hand' in negotiating ongoing access to her daughter ...like all tyrants (I would consider Trump an example
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I am wondering if 'good David McKay' will now appear (ever so briefly) in order to 'prove' to the world how badly wronged this 'poor soul' has been and so 'cruelly' mis-judged by the wider world...as evidenced by the recent court findings... It's a psychological process akin to a wife-beating husband where brief spells of reasonable behaviour are in
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Thanks Matilda for posting the updates. It beggars belief that McKay can be unaware of the 'satanic' prostitution of the biblical scriptures that HE routinely engages in....however when you orchestrate the removal of anyone who questions you ...and choose to surround yourself with those who will parrot whatever they believe placates you ...and so save themselves from the (Mao-like) o
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