I do not share a great relationship with Kevin... ....however the events of the split in 1998 speak highly of him. He stood up to his Father.... (David McKay was enraged....McKay frequently, in utter hypocrisy quotes Luke 17 : 21.... 20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation
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Thanks Whirlwind, The ABSOLUTELY primary principle in McKay's 'end-time' ruminations is to disempower people.... .....that isto engender self-doubt (I have 'failed' to prepare for the end of the world....I lack McKay's 'insights'...).. ...and thus to persuade those psychologically vulnerable enough to entertain membership of his cult! ....McKay
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....I DID say that I would look at a few of the scriptures routinely bandied about by McKay ...and in particular the verses that McKay claims that he faithfully interprets in relation to the end times....(collated in works such as his 'Fall of America')... ...these represent the 'sacred cows' of the Jesus Christians...and of course to challenge McKay's interpretation w
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Psychological "projection" is a constant feature of David Mckay's twisted and bitter denigration of those who challenge him in any way as 'bitter'.... ...it is a meaningless accusation (I interpret it as a compliment) coming from an individual who consistently deliberately belittles others.... ....the circular reasoning that you point out here DOES make me sometimes
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If you don't mind Whirlwind....I might continue discussing the specific scriptures that McKay references (although as you have pointed out previously his manipulative techniques are not particularly 'imaginative'....just clones of Berg's 'false dichotomies' tactics).... For the moment I will continue with McKay's 'Fall of America' material.... that
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Thanks Whirlwind.... ...then perhaps he will remain insanely true to the insanity of his fabricated 'persecution complex'.... (..to question McKay at all...only indicates that YOU are not 'submitted' to his bullshit!) ....Hmmm....still so far up his own anus he perceive nothing other than his own shit? (...the persecution that he makes mention of WILL eventuate..TH
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There once was a 'human' David McKay...will the certain knowledge that he (under his own formula....although I have had the temerity to actually 'date' the matter...) may well be well and truly dead...or at the least incapable of the 'hurly-burly' of the leadership style he championed... lead to any self re-evaluation on his part??? The trouble with having a cult
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I return to my earlier conjecture about the 'end of world'....and of course I could always be wrong... .....based on a return of Christ in 2033 (as I mentioned the 'new' endtime date that will you sill see start cropping up now....4000 years of history prior to Christ + Christs' life of 33 years + 2000 years of history post Christ then to usher in the last 1000 years
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Oh! Thanks Whirlwind....so 75 NOW then...that's interesting then! So turning 76 in December.... The two son's would have a simply selfish perspective....('they' would consider that have suffered more than anyone else... it really does not matter what ill David McKay has caused anyone else...as long as they can have the 'normal life' back that they and their famil
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Ummm....You do not need to address me as 'Sir'..yet! ...not until I become an officer in the military....(I will let you know when this happens! Ha Ha Ha!) The 'future' is unknown quantity....this coming 17th December David turns 75 (..is that right?). His sons (Kevin and Gary) I think are just looking out for 'normality'....if they 'humour' their father
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David's 'theology' is principally pilfered from other sources of theology. I have personally remained a little committed to those principles that I think held their own integrity....irrespective of McKay employing them for his own self-promotion...however that means... ..that as down the years...he has simply purloined what he could (without acknowledging his sources)....some
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Ouch! That's a lot to read through!!!
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No talk of 'starships' or 'extra-dimensional' celestial activity.....the eschatology McKay promotes I believe to have been principally derived from his 'Children of God' days in Broken Hill...(hence it would be David Bergs material in the main...)... ANY expectation of any sort of 'after-life' can of course be easily mocked... However... The milita
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Yes David's interest in 'climate change' is as deep as his interest in 'refugees'...(aka 'The Refugee Embassy')....or 'Freeganism'...he prostitutes whatever public cause will achieve his ultimate goal of self promotion However speaking of the 'end times'... In the 1980's (perhaps 1982), I distributed pamphlets on the streets of M
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A brilliant analysis of the personality of a monster there, Zeuszor! The chaotic rambling of the man in the messages prior to their orchestrated disappearance DO have an insane logic to them....as there is never any objective truth (e.g. Freeganism can be "worthwhile" one day and "worthless" the next) ONLY whatever happens to be McKays opinion on any matter, the only "con
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Yes, a very thoughtful gesture there Zeuszor.....although I imagine that there will be no immediate "rush of mail".....I can remember that upon departing the JesusChristians.... I suffered from "fortress mentality" believing that while McKay was clearly oppressive that I yet had to "protect" my all important beliefs from the influence of those who would seek to begui
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Hmmm...yes! All the observations that McKay was copying (as usual!) Berg's fraudulent "disbanding" and "rebranding" swindles have proven to be astute commentary....It appears that the effort has impacted upon the abilities of McKay to recruit however.... I can't see that the numbers of souls he has at his beck and call has greatly increased (...only "Jack"
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No, I didn't (....as I hadn't proposed complaining to any authorities)....now that you mention it, I haven't any articles being contributed by Dan to the site so you may well be right in suggesting that he's psychologically independent of the UK JC's now....it's early days yet for them in the reclamation of their humanity....they may still feel obliged to demonstrate
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The "process" is that you gradually learn to kill any independent conscience of your own by constantly repressing non-conformist thought....hence I would draw different conclusions about Roland and Sue's parenting ability (while still concluding that the scum of the earth certainly attempted to impose himself upon them)....the refusal to forgo their duties as parents were to my min
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Thanks Zeusor, David invariably turns on those who fail to "worship" him (judged by the quality of one's servitude) adequately...there may be possibly be some prospect of recovery for Ross or Roland and Sue if they have genuinely moved on from McKay although I personally think that if they are vain enough to think themselves "justified" in giving David the "heave-
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Thank you both for the informative updates, Zeusor and Apollo....if (whatever they happen to be calling themsevles) can only dump the excesses of McKay ...be. that fraud, exortion, wilful misrepresentation or the like.... and focus on the antimaterialism that they claim motivates them, perhaps there can yet be a ""happy ending" somewhere, sometime....
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I have to sympathize with Adrians' intentions (a reflection on the good will within himself, I would think)...that McKay might be yet brought to "repentance"...even where this is "wishful thinking" it is "wishful thinking" that I would credit Adrian for being able to hold... I have to admit, that I have lost the capacity for "wishful thinking" with
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We are obliged to "member" Apollo for sharing these treasures with us.....only McKay speaking to himself then? He is in retreat...and in desperate denial that he is in retreat....feverishly working to "isolate" himself from the factual criticism, that has gutted his organization.... No more from the "Truthseekers" then.....McKay can, in many ways, simply be ign
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From my own personal perspective (perhaps shared more widely??) I do not want to be seen to comment on the Jesus Christians's "beliefs"... (Be that "Living by Faith" or the committment to community or the voluntary poverty that may be read into the Sermon on the Mount) ....many of which I share with them still ..I do though think that where their BEHAVIOUR is either
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I agree with you Mark that McKay does not "deserve" the attention he has garnered, however the RR forum as far as I am aware is open to all and sundry.....those who have fallen victim to other cult experiences are relatively less expressive, than those who have encountered McKay....? I would encourage the former to participate more readily on the RR forum and press their case.....the Ch
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Thank you Apollo for the information. I had noticed the same phenomenom myself and was wondering if David had managed to simply identify and isolate "browsing"devices in Korea (as I am not aware of him ever receiving any positive feedback from his perspective out of this corner of the world) ....while I am aware of the need to be wary of deceit on McKay's end.... I would continue t
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McKay has devolved (definitely couldn't say "evolved") into a text book "bad" cult leader.... ...progressively isolating himself from any other perspectives...the "cost" of his purported success....
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I've actually had the chance to hear Mr Hassan speak at a conference and was briefly able to say hello to him....seemed a likeable enough man (although I was not in touch with him in the capacity of a "client"...hence cannot comment on the "appropriateness" or otherwise of the fee scale, he may charge)...I regret that I haven't been able to meet up with the other ind
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Dear Adrian, I do apologize if I haven't "flagged" my sarcasm sufficiently.....I, in fact, NEVER dream of the God forsaken old goat....David is vain through and through and HATES to be parodied....regretably his site continues to garner the odd enquiry, hence I feel obliged to continue to pillory the deceit that he peddles, with sarcastic reference to the "impact" that
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.....by the rivers of BABYLON! .....there we wept, when we remembered, what we once led to believe in and hope for... (Yet one must have the faith to be able to see beyond the pathetic deceit of McKay and those like him and continue to struggle for the realization of those important truths that we respectively hold dear... )
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