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8 days ago
IanKoviak
Anyone seen this series on Hulu? Just wondering if it's any good.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 weeks ago
IanKoviak
A powerful observation by an early poster on page 4. These were the years the cult started suing various people and scare them into silence. yoursister Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am astounded by the defenses of this "teacher's" > advocates. From my own experience I find their > blatant invasion of the rights of "individ
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 weeks ago
IanKoviak
The barely mentioned vishnu of rig veda better not quite his day job. He's done a piss poor job being the protector of children, born or unborn. Plus, what does it matter, if you're not your body? Isn't it the fetuses karma to get killed in the womb? Dewatcher, Dudley, et al., Abortion is a fact of life (in the animal kingdom infants are killed regularly if they are weak or
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 weeks ago
IanKoviak
Whirlwind—happy travels. I can't infinitely regress with you about this stuff. Suffice it to say I appreciate your verve and commitment. I don't agree with you. We can agree to disagree. Hope some folks find inspiration in your version of things and others in mine. I just want people coming here to not be afraid they will be bombarded by what they are already used to from being in the c
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 weeks ago
IanKoviak
That is your version of what you believe to be Krishna Consciousness Whirlwind. That is by no means what Krishna Consciousness means to Prabhupada and his ardent followers and other Gaudiya groups. Not by a mile. The Krishna conception is very specific (sectarian is an understatement), its process very specific. If it was what you describe, then it could have just as well been called garden va
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 weeks ago
IanKoviak
Hi whirlwind, I appreciate that you have verve in your beliefs, but I hope that you understand that they are genuinely wasted on me. I unequivocally do not hold the god Krishna to be a real person. As much as the quotes above reveal a genuineness of desire on the part of these teachers to portray a universal religion, it's not something that I believe in. I don't believe in the auth
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 weeks ago
IanKoviak
As an aside, most devotees I know are nice folks and genuinely sincere and as far as cults go, I think it's become more mainstream like Morman's to the effect that many practice it outside the temple/ashram structure which is often where a lot of the cult aspects are more prone to happen. However, I do think that the way some kids are raised in it makes it hard for them to ever feel
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 weeks ago
IanKoviak
Whirlwind, I would actually encourage them to "start" from scratch. Yes. There is a lot of insight gained from shedding and abandoning one's religious past. God won't be disappointed and it's an authentic way to shed some of the trauma as a lot can get bound up in the details of the belief system that we tend to never confront and only address from the angle of the rel
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 weeks ago
IanKoviak
The Whirlwind, don't you have 16 or 64 rounds to chant or something? There is no difference between one religious fantastic and another. You choose to live in fantasy. We choose to live in reality. Bhaktivedanta and his sampradaya are a throng of dillusional nuts who produce more delusional nuts. They reject basic reason and science, make up stuff and hope to go to the cow planet goloka
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 weeks ago
IanKoviak
The Whirlwind, And so when you say that all this is "nonsecterian" and a person who wants true knowledge needs to find a living teacher in one of the 4 hindu sects of Saivism, Shaktism, Vaishnavism and Smartism, you are speaking of a nonsecterian path? It's disingenuous to say the path of "krishna consciousness" is "non secterian". If you mean to say that
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
5 weeks ago
IanKoviak
DeWatcher, The vedic and post vedic works are full of promises of karma being destroyed or a person receiving immediate liberation by virtue of any number of engagements: Surrender to a bonafide guru, chanting some mantra, praying to some god, bathing in some river, fasting on some day, reading some book etc. There is not a shortage of promises of being absolved from any number of maladies. An
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
6 weeks ago
IanKoviak
Basically, DeWatcher, what Sridhara Maharaj is saying in those pages is that the guru is not really responsible for the disciple and does not take on any karma. What he is saying is that it's up to the interpretation of the disciple's understanding of scripture to figure out what the guru is saying is right or wrong or distorted etc. The moral of the story, without getting into the
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
7 weeks ago
IanKoviak
Beware, this is a complete scam. www.tulsialoha.org Butler has created a political mascot. There is a personality cult that's evolved within the cult related to Tulsi gabbard. Not to mention a pretty vast support base of QANON conspiracy nuts. Who in their right mind would donate to this person? She's done nothing with the money except buy expensive equipment, transportation
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
8 weeks ago
IanKoviak
And first and foremost the pure devotee must be a "he", apparently. And as if there was not enough of your typical redundancy in that list, you have to basically deal with what amounts to a description of a robot. And what exactly is such an automoton "expert" at? The endless vagueness of this list and obviously subjective nature is akin to the style and open ended interpr
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
Leaving this one here: The great singular Authority for establishing the superiority of the Bhagavatam is the "Vedas". Yes the same "flowery ones".
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
Does that include the power of the he okay name, guru, and myths about krishna? There's some flowery claims made about those too.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
Nice article and great explanation of guru and temple culture. Bhaktivedanta was very vocal about building ISKCON temples in every city. It was a goal of his that followers took very seriously. Ironically, it's not even vedic as this article points out. Yet they will use "vedic" and ancient as a major preaching tool to gain recruits. Butler has focused much of his preachi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
Great videos by Gaura Rader: and I just find it curious how they need to fall back in Jesus (or yoga nidra, hatha yoga, ayurveda, guitars and bongos) to make their cult look more relatable and appealing to both themselves and newcomers. I don't see any christians using krishna as a way to appeal to followers. And it's crazy they go as far as suggesting christ is brahma, a hindu go
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
Yes and they'll quickly slip in telling you that jesus is lord brahma or something made up. They'll tell you all sorts of stories about how Jesus went to India and met various bhakti acharyas. I don't no any Christian cults or sects that try to pedal that Krishna met up with Jesus on the sly.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
And here we have Butler's puppet compalining about cancel culture when she has made a literal career of it, starting in her early days of Stop Promoting Homosexuality Hawaii with her father where they proposed electroconvulsive therapy for gay teens. And let's not forget that anyone who finds Butler's cult as abusive, detrimental, offensive and idiotic is cancelled as a Hindu
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
DaWatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's also interesting: > > > > Mr. Midget about the autor > > QuoteMr. Midget > "Generally, followers of the Gaudiya Math and I > know Mirek is doing this openly claim that > their guru teaches a higher truth to > Vaisnava than Srila Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
Yes, I have written about this phenomenon on this forum MANY times as I personally experienced this hate and anger from Butler against, at the time, Mahabhagavata das Fergusson and his family (Wife Sandy and son Bali and two siblings). The fact is that MANY devotees experienced a sort of spiritual reawakeiings when associating with other senior vaishnavas of other missions. Some went to India
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
2 months ago
IanKoviak
It's better you got out now then years down the line when it's pretty much impossible. Most folks who do leave later on just go jumping from one guru to another. It's a sick cycle of child-like dependency. This is a relevant article: I could go on and on about the many drawbacks and issues with this and other groups like it. It's a mental circus. But yes, crippling
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
3 months ago
IanKoviak
Any nonsense can be "spiritual". It's called cognitive dissonance. Religions and cults are expert at justifying the most bizarre ideas and stamping them as "gods will" or "karma" or anything else that obsolves them of responsibility it the need to give a just answer. That's why surrender as a religious concept is so ripe for abuse. A drug smuggler giving mi
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
3 months ago
IanKoviak
Hi Truth Wins! Thank you for your continued addition here. It's valuable and facinting for me to see how this group has evolved. Or, not evolved, for that matter. How do you feel the path contributes positively to those in the cult? You claim that many of those in the cult will never be unhappy. Do you truly believe that? In contrast to any number of other people, religious or otherwise?
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 months ago
IanKoviak
Butler gave a series of lectures about the mind (you know, like over 40 years ago) and how he read some scientific article about people who lived with no brains and that this was somehow proof that the mind is not the brain (and thereby not the seat of consciousness). I read about these cases of so called "no brainers" and it was total bullshit. The people had brains but their brains we
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 months ago
IanKoviak
I'm sure Butler has plenty of money to help out a poor devotee parent. It's the least he can do for the unnecessary trauma and suffering he caused the many children of early devotee families.
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