DaWatcher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's also interesting: > > > > Mr. Midget about the autor > > QuoteMr. Midget > "Generally, followers of the Gaudiya Math and I > know Mirek is doing this openly claim that > their guru teaches a higher truth to > Vaisnava than Srila Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa
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Yes, I have written about this phenomenon on this forum MANY times as I personally experienced this hate and anger from Butler against, at the time, Mahabhagavata das Fergusson and his family (Wife Sandy and son Bali and two siblings). The fact is that MANY devotees experienced a sort of spiritual reawakeiings when associating with other senior vaishnavas of other missions. Some went to India
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It's better you got out now then years down the line when it's pretty much impossible. Most folks who do leave later on just go jumping from one guru to another. It's a sick cycle of child-like dependency. This is a relevant article: I could go on and on about the many drawbacks and issues with this and other groups like it. It's a mental circus. But yes, crippling
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Any nonsense can be "spiritual". It's called cognitive dissonance. Religions and cults are expert at justifying the most bizarre ideas and stamping them as "gods will" or "karma" or anything else that obsolves them of responsibility it the need to give a just answer. That's why surrender as a religious concept is so ripe for abuse. A drug smuggler giving mi
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Hi Truth Wins! Thank you for your continued addition here. It's valuable and facinting for me to see how this group has evolved. Or, not evolved, for that matter. How do you feel the path contributes positively to those in the cult? You claim that many of those in the cult will never be unhappy. Do you truly believe that? In contrast to any number of other people, religious or otherwise?
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An intelligent take in Gita:
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Butler gave a series of lectures about the mind (you know, like over 40 years ago) and how he read some scientific article about people who lived with no brains and that this was somehow proof that the mind is not the brain (and thereby not the seat of consciousness). I read about these cases of so called "no brainers" and it was total bullshit. The people had brains but their brains we
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I'm sure Butler has plenty of money to help out a poor devotee parent. It's the least he can do for the unnecessary trauma and suffering he caused the many children of early devotee families.
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Well, there's no better place for you to express any details about the Toronto branch. This forum is chock full of personal accounts and records of the cults activities worldwide. Ultimately Tulsi gabbard is afraid of the domestic terrorist bill because it exposes fraudulent religious organizations like the science of identity foundation and Chris Butler. It exposes their hate filled rhet
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I find it ironic that Tulsi and Butler have used nothing short of thuggish tactics to silence critics or even go after them and yet she seems very vocal now about social media shutting down the likes of Trump (like seriously, who fucking cares?). They regularly called the capital police on people like Christine Gralow and other reporters and opposition that exposed their lies and crimes. They reg
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Keep reading baba. It's chalk full of exposes and it's often only the surface of what butler had many of his closest followers do for him in the name of the blue God. It will all come out. Many of his followers are becoming disenchanted. The core teachings are fine if they help people. but in general it's a personality cult through and through. Always was from the start.
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Hey Vox, sounds like a classic cult move with the whole Aloha Cult fund. Hansen, I think what can be done is to be more specific on what you see. I see a ton of young people, teens, sitting in taped footage kirtans with expressions of "shoot me now" in thier faces. I see butler using initiation as a tactic to get donations and those donations to go to things like Aloha Tulsi fund to
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A good read along the lines of the butler delusion he sells:
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The road to hell is built with good intentions. The main thing that I hope for anyone coming across this forum is that they realize that no matter what guru they follow or how profound the philosophy sounds at face value you need to study it and ask many questions and entertain any doubts. Faith is a powerful tool. But it is a tool. It is something that needs to be maintained and kept Sharp and a
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Believe me, the human brain can be completely rewired to get High off of repetitively chanting and restricting calories. It can almost have a crack cocaine type of effect. You should try it sometime. There's nothing transcendental about it. It's just science and chemistry. We used to fast 24 hours on nirjal ekadasi (no water or food) at 10 to 16 years of age and regularly on other fasti
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Culthusiast, Yiu can see here is a link with pdf of bhaktivedanta notebooks where he lists his d iui disciples names. In the handwritten one Bhalakilya is listed and noted as having been initiated in hawaii. Dig into it, though I'm not sure it matters if he chants gayatri or not. Butler was not giving second diksha in his group. He gave Nam diksha and generally I heard him state that his f
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And if you need an amusing weekend read check out this lovely gem: This is an essence the ideological backbone of any Western variant of Hinduism. It's what's simmering underneath the surface veneer of all those science of identity yoga studios and kirtan huts. It's what the Tulsi/Modi alliance is tangled in and at the heart of Bhaktivedanta swamis wish for a so called varnashr
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Vox, the salt spray, and we did this too, was butlers foot wash water in a spray bottle to make the food extra "maha"... but I may be wrong. Hanson, all of this checks out and is my observations as well. I laugh at the bodily obsessed part from a cult that hammers "you are not the body" rhetoric as thier go-to. I guess they are getting pretty for krishna... Your stateme
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Exactly. It cost millions. Millions from where? His poor disciples? Raising millions to satisfy thier gurus whims and proclivity as a film maker or political orchestrator. It's the furthest thing anyone joining the group thought they would be asked to do when joining the group. Those born into it know no other life than to operate within the whims of butler. All of the wai lana and karma
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The organization will fall apart to complete pieces once he is gone. Just as his spiritual Masters organization did and his spiritual Masters spiritual Masters organization did. The result is a diluted soup of nothing but a naive western attempt at cultural appropriation of Indian heritage. In the end, a few generations of kids get completely mind warped and a fraction ever know a semblance of a
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It's great that people continue to come out of the woodwork and corroborate the reality of Butler, his cult and history. I'm blown away how many are, in this day and age, still so deeply caught up in his sham. They protect him, cower in front of him. This weak, sickly, lazy excuse for a human. He who has used everyone to his whims and taught devotion through fear and anger. He lives
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Thank you Vera. If it hasn't been stated once, let it be stated again. This is exactly how I grew up. I think the main reason people take this type of information down from various posts or stop blocking or discontinue doing much as because they are either brainwashed continually or feel that their voice is not heard and that they have to move on. In either case, that's fine if that
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In general, suicide will always be a complex social issue. Hey cult mentality will usually add many many more layers to the issue. The fact is, the most followers will deal with such issues in terms of karma and sins and so forth. Specifically, in this cult, such deranged ideas as people taking birth in lower forms and suffering for many lifetimes due to suicide adds an insane layer of complexity
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Here is another article crying hinduphobia. Instead of providing concrete facts or even going as far as reaching out to some of these people and interviewing them and trying to get their viewpoint in any way or seeing what it is that they posted or the history of the cult they choose to hide behind this now cliche banner of so called hindu phobia. Ironically none of the people he mentions i
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Interesting podcast documentary: Of course in the butler cult it would have been called The Deadly Clickers. Remember the damn clickers? Cause chanting on beads and using a beadbag would give away that we're Hare Krishnas... those sneaky butlerites.
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It's true, through Tulsi and his power ambitions he has asked of all his disciples to pretty much vote and support obviously anti-vaishnava rhetoric, principles, values and some. Funny how he came full circle to face his own hypocrisy and end up cornered, alone, wearing his 100% organic lycra face mask. Pity the fool and fools who stayed in his fold. Wasted life chasing his pipedreams.
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hoax108, thank you for sharing this. It doesn't appear that this or any number of Science of identity sites and projects or even political Ambitions are intrinsically subversive in what they hope to offer the General Public. I think much of the nitty-gritty of what has been spoken of on this forum and in some other places is in respect to the cultish aspects involving Chris Butler and his ob
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On the topic Tulsi gabbards supposed good looks, it's also ironic that Butler thrust her into the political sphere based on the naive concept that she is somehow attractive physically. And it's also one of the big gripes I have with the science of identity Foundation pushing images of Butler from the 70s and 80s as well as his wife in recent times being pushed for physical attributes. H
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Thank you. I understand the persons comments but its distracting and unnecessary. At least to me, which seems to be the only voice carrying the thread for now. I cant see how subjective physical attractiveness has much to do with how Tulsi justifies her stance. She'd do well to publically state her renunciation of SIF and Butler. It muddles her persona as a political figure. Thank you f
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Moderator, can you be so kind as to remove this imature asshat off this thread. They have contributed nothing, they were not in the cult and are polluting this thread. Get a life troll.
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