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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Please ask that 'kindly soul' to get in touch with me ....via this website... After all my years in the 'Christians' are likely to outrank their membership standing.... to slightly paraphrase their excuse to engage with you Whirlwind.... I would encourage that user to see what the JesusChristian community is really about and not to base their assumptions from what they o
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thank you Whirlwind, I think (hope?) that the majority of those who donated a kidney...live to a 'healthy old age' and that their gift was ultimately genuine (..and was not provided primarily out of a wish to either fund or advertise McKay).... ....'we' (I?) should work 'our'(my?) way through some of McKay's written work...the 'write up' in Wikip
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
It would be 'nice' to find someone who has emerged out of their time spent with the JesusChristians and who has somehow managed to stay a little more than psychologically 'damaged goods'.... Perhaps Boyd and Sherri and family...just about the only ones that come to mind...(although I have of course not met ALL of the former members)....
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thanks Whirlwind, I had a look through their website....technically admirable...however; You will remember that... ...The Gianstefani's once posted extensively on this website stridently defending McKay and describing all those who had left the JesusChristians as faithless and disgruntled.... UNITL the Gianstefani's were duly betrayed by McKay and 'booted out'...at wh
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thank you Imagodei for the pointers....they are appreciated.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thanks Whirlwind.....is this the group in Australia (Kevin and his companions)? No that was 1998 wasn't it? Boyd and Sherry were quietly 'removed' earlier weren't they... the group in England then? (It's difficult to keep track of all the individuals that David McKay has betrayed and alienated down the years...far, far exceeding the number of current 'members
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
You ARE clever Imagodei! Thanks! It's necessary to assume that any information on these pages is open to McKay himself to look through.....if you ever 'strike gold' on anything...I recommend sharing that privately with 'Whirlwind' however for this nature of thing...this location is fine. AVID is a 'channel'? My Google and Youtube searches require another
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thanks Whirlwind! Very useful. Do they have a particular youtube channel that they masquerade under? (This is why I was suggesting opening a 'counter resource'...that takes the (stolen)'positives' away from the Jesus Christians.... McKay will claim that he is the ONLY organization faithful to the condemnation of 'mammon' and that ALL other religious organiza
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
.....hmmm... I feel as though David McKay's 'the means justifies the ends' prostitution of the scriptural record is more a fundamental failing. Here is the basis of the COG...'spoiling Egypt' policy (...take what you may in whatever way you can from the ungodly wordly system). 33And the Egyptians were urgent upon the people, that they might send them out of the
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
I (I despise calling myself a 'JesusChristian'...although I likely represent the viewpoint that they would hold generally).... ...would remark that the entire Bible supports the 'teachings of Jesus' however the Bible is otherwise NOT anywhere near the equivalent of teachings of Jesus. In fact the JesusChristians (and I) would argue that the BIBLE itself says as much... P
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Ummm... In many ways...I retain the perspectives on the world that I learnt under the 'Christians'....(what the JesusChristians were originally know as...before David decided he needed to properly 'badge' his cult.....in order that he could unsure the public were properly focused on the 'messenger'....and not the message). You may recall Whirlwind that the Chil
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
David enjoys pretending that his 'knowledgeable eschatology' (purloined from David BERG) somehow sets him apart.... ...however I think that there is some unintended salutary 'exegesis' in Davids' warnings in respect of the 'last days'.... Daniel 8:23-25 King James Version 23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Will the JesusChristians take the mark of beastly David McKay? Yes in all likelyhood.... David McKay stated to us (in the simple 'Christians' at that time) that God told him not to marry his wife....(and yet he did!) The Children of God required David to forsake his fetish with his own writing...(..and McKay didn't). In 1982 David McKay produced literature for public dispe
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Insightful analysis there, Whirlwind. It is possible to actually precisely describe the methods that David McKay employs to falsely impugn those who wishes to remove or denigrate.... He (constantly) describes individuals as 'suffering from 'bitterness'..' or having a 'bitter spirit'....you will repeatedly come across this term in his writings....that is the gen
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Sadly ...Whirlwind is correct here....you become desperate to find a reason to remove yourself from the nightmare of the JesusChristians....but you are trapped in the circular reasoning that they represent the only 'true representation' of Christ on earth....thus you are forced to find fault with yourself.... ....to justify why you had to leave (....and thus avoid directly confrontin
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thanks Imagodei for going to this all this trouble.... If I can ever assist you at all here (just let me know) otherwise no one can do any more than you are doing! When they don't come back in response to you....you can take that as confirmation that they feel 'threatened' by you and consequently have judged you to be 'hard of heart' and a 'goat' unprepared
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thank you Imagodei....'The most shocking teaching of Jesus' is a Jesus Christian Youtube production? (....The most most shocking prostitution of the teachings of Jesus...it could be far more accurately accurately renamed if David McKay is behind the thing!) Was the author of this post definitely a JesusChristian (disciple of McKay)? I wasn't in the organization when they w
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
It would be worthwhile having a 'normal' perspective on Christianity created somewhere (outside the Cult Education Institute..that is not the role of this board) that was accessible to readers of 'Reddit' and 'Quorum' as a resource.... David McKay fills 'vacuums'....the 'Catholic Workers' and the 'Quakers' are both institutions that
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thank you for the information. I appreciate it. I second Corboy's approach! Acts 2 : 44-5 is the verse McKay quotes to support new 'disciples' turning all they have in the world over to his keeping....as was the practice in the Children of God... 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them t
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Here is a little 'question' that you might want to put towards the Jesus Christians... I would be interested in hearing the responses you might receive! David has four children, (Kevin, Sherri, Gary and Christine)....Kevin, Sherri and Gary all have children. What circumstances led to three of David's children deciding to leave the 'Kingdom of Heaven' (the JesusChris
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thank you 'Imagodei' ....'False dichotomies' (If you don't submit to the teachings of David McKay then you are a 'systemite' (Children of God terminology)....in rebellion to God)...is stock in trade to them.... On their websites...alternate views are filtered out...you would be vastly 'out-numbered' by a company of stooges all devoted to McKay (a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
I do not share a great relationship with Kevin... ....however the events of the split in 1998 speak highly of him. He stood up to his Father.... (David McKay was enraged....McKay frequently, in utter hypocrisy quotes Luke 17 : 21.... 20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thanks Whirlwind, The ABSOLUTELY primary principle in McKay's 'end-time' ruminations is to disempower people.... .....that isto engender self-doubt (I have 'failed' to prepare for the end of the world....I lack McKay's 'insights'...).. ...and thus to persuade those psychologically vulnerable enough to entertain membership of his cult! ....McKay
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
....I DID say that I would look at a few of the scriptures routinely bandied about by McKay ...and in particular the verses that McKay claims that he faithfully interprets in relation to the end times....(collated in works such as his 'Fall of America')... ...these represent the 'sacred cows' of the Jesus Christians...and of course to challenge McKay's interpretation w
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Psychological "projection" is a constant feature of David Mckay's twisted and bitter denigration of those who challenge him in any way as 'bitter'.... ...it is a meaningless accusation (I interpret it as a compliment) coming from an individual who consistently deliberately belittles others.... ....the circular reasoning that you point out here DOES make me sometimes
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
If you don't mind Whirlwind....I might continue discussing the specific scriptures that McKay references (although as you have pointed out previously his manipulative techniques are not particularly 'imaginative'....just clones of Berg's 'false dichotomies' tactics).... For the moment I will continue with McKay's 'Fall of America' material.... that
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Thanks Whirlwind.... ...then perhaps he will remain insanely true to the insanity of his fabricated 'persecution complex'.... (..to question McKay at all...only indicates that YOU are not 'submitted' to his bullshit!) ....Hmmm....still so far up his own anus he perceive nothing other than his own shit? (...the persecution that he makes mention of WILL eventuate..TH
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
There once was a 'human' David McKay...will the certain knowledge that he (under his own formula....although I have had the temerity to actually 'date' the matter...) may well be well and truly dead...or at the least incapable of the 'hurly-burly' of the leadership style he championed... lead to any self re-evaluation on his part??? The trouble with having a cult
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
I return to my earlier conjecture about the 'end of world'....and of course I could always be wrong... .....based on a return of Christ in 2033 (as I mentioned the 'new' endtime date that will you sill see start cropping up now....4000 years of history prior to Christ + Christs' life of 33 years + 2000 years of history post Christ then to usher in the last 1000 years
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1 year ago
Malcolm Wesley WREST
Oh! Thanks Whirlwind....so 75 NOW then...that's interesting then! So turning 76 in December.... The two son's would have a simply selfish perspective....('they' would consider that have suffered more than anyone else... it really does not matter what ill David McKay has caused anyone else...as long as they can have the 'normal life' back that they and their famil
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