QuoteChrista ..I just can't bring myself to believe this sort of nasty manipulation is really going on. The guy in the clip was dorky and unattractive, and if a strange man plopped himself down that close to me while I was out with a girlfriend I'd like to think my defenses would shoot right up to high alert, but I honestly don't know. IOW, this is not a guy I would automatica
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also, Byron Katie is not "crazy" in the least. Crazy like a fox. The "crazy" factor, as explained here in great detail, relates to the specific technique called Creating Confusion, which is done with the strange stories she constantly tells. Those also reach directly into the unconscious, into the area of dream-logic, which puts suggestible people into a light-trance state al
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just to clarify a bit, the Turnarounds which create excessive self-blame, have actually been shown in hundreds of studies in cognitive therapy to CREATE depression. Its called excessive Self-Downing. Excessive self-blame creates too much Guilt and depression, that is shown in hundreds of actual studies. They have exercises like a "Responsibilty Pie", in the book Mind Over Mood to a
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here are some hypnosis scripts, related to Stever Robbins, anyone can find in seconds. So you see how these guys do it, all of these weasel words to play with your perceptions of reality. This is amateur hypnosis? What a joke, maybe he really is into comedy, or perhaps FARCE? These are some of the most advanced hypnotic techniques that can be used, and this is from 15 years ago. Byron Ka
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the thing with these old-school NLPers...its all very subtle and tricky. Things are never what they appear at face value. There is no way in hell that Stever Robbins would be a true "follower" of someone like BK. He knows what she does, the NLPers make a ton of money training people in those exact methods. He's probably just an admirer of her skills, and perhaps was hired by he
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QuoteMeadowOne of the forums on the Institute for The Work is called "Byron Katie's topic of the month". This particular forum is just one of the ways they use at BKI to portray Katie as an enlightened being or a saint. Here she posts questions for her followers to answer. The Question of the month for April was: QuoteI have always known you, do you know me? Please answer this ques
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Quotesolea13Byron Katie quoted by helpme - "A week or so later, as I lay on the floor of my attic room (I felt too unworthy to sleep in a bed)" Really? Byron Katie was so clinically depressed that she felt unworthy to sleep in a bed? And that long-seated, deeply felt emotion of self-disgust completely changed in an instant as soon as the cockroach crawled over her foot? Now she fe
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Hey Jim Dodds, ...why don't you do The Work on your own comments? According to Byron Katie, your comments are really all about YOU, right? According to your own alleged practice of the Work, your thoughts are NOT true, and you should question them, and erase them, and do a turnaround on them, right? So that would make your thoughts...paranoid, angry, defensive, misleading, etc. Right?
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Jay... I think a more detailed critical analysis of Erickson, would be better in another thread? I don't want to go off-topic of Byron Katie. After all, BK at most does only a tiny part of methods taken from that area, and warps and perverts them. I think just focussing on the BK part is more appropriate for the thread. It seems BK took some elements that sprung from him, 2nd or 3rd g
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also, one other thing. The Erickson work was just actual therapy, and had nothing to do with "enlightenment" or any of that stuff. He just figured out a way to supposedly speak to people's "unconscious", using his idiosyncratic methods, to help them to adjust to reality, and have a better life. That was the goal. but Erickson was also an explorer of the "unconsciou
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One thing to keep in mind about this Ericksonian hypnotherapy stuff, is that a "story" about hypnotherapy, even coming from Erickson, is a "Teaching Tale", not a fact. So there may have been a golfer, there may not even have been a golfer. Sometimes a story like that is used as an indirect trance induction story... as in telling a client that golfer story, and the real mes
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anyone else feel there are way too many self-annointed western fake Zen priests running amok? like, how many do we need? QUOTE: "Bernie Glassman teaches about what his teacher, the late Taizan Maezumi, called the "unknowing." Unknowing is the first precept of the Zen Peacemaker Circle, and Glassman says of it, "In Zen the words source and essence are the equivalent of Unk
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on dear lord, this marketing page for the Byron Katie School for the Work August 14 - 23, 2009 The School for The Work Los Angeles, California You can count at least 35 techniques being used on that page in a very quick read-through. Many embedded suggestions and metaphors in the language, even future-pacing trance text, post-hypnotic suggestions... and embedding LIFELONG member
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these complex verbal techniques originate in Ericksonian hypnotherapy, but they were created originally to help people, not to exploit them in this manner. (as its being done without any consent). So when she carefully constructs a sentence like below, to the conscious grammatical mind, to the mind of reality, it is meaningless, and literally cannot be understood. It is nonsensical, like Alice
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by the way, an experiment could be done. A page of the BK "weird" language patterns in text, could have her name stripped out, and then sent to some good hypnotherapists, for analysis. They would immediately identify it as based on Ericksonian hypnotherapy, but also that its been twisted and warped. You see, in the proper Ericksonian hypnotherapy, that language would never be use
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Thanks for posting that text, it can be analyzed. Most of her books appear to be online, and on torrents. One point of hope in this, is that most people do think that Byron Katie is manipulative and weird when they first come across her. Expecially people who are not naturally "mystical". She is not as popular as they are trying to make her, her books at the library have few hol
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There were some previous posts about Byron Katie and the Nazi's. That's another reason they burned Losing The Moon, if the media saw that, she would have to be responsible for her words. Byron Katie QUOTE: "God is the Nazi too" But the "weird" language in that book, is instantly recognizable as what is called Trance-Logic. They deliberately mess with the g
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PROLONGED EYE-GAZING TECHNIQUE another very self-conscious technique that Byron Katie uses, is the prolonged Eye-Gazing technique. There are many examples of her using that technique, seen in the conversion story by Carol Skolnick, blogs about the Byron Katie Eyes by the disgraced Neale Donald Walsch, advertising blogs by Stephen Mitchell and the initial induction by Byron Katie described i
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one other thing before it slips away.. Janaki has a wonderful detailed recollection of how her conversion to Byron Katie happened. What's wonderful is that Janaki does not appear to know what "hypnosis" is, but her description could be in a textbook! Put it this way, if you are getting "tunnel vision", and things are moving in "slow motion"...that's a clu
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There are some mind-games being played here. Say one thing in one post, and the opposite in the next post. (road-rage, for example). Of course people are sensitive, they are sensitive to repeated attempts by Byron Katie devotees trying to screw with their minds! Some people in this thread have been burned by Byron Katie and her BKI Clone-Army already. Also, Pilot: tThis thread about Byron
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dear lord, thank you for posting this. People need to freaking WAKE UP and come out of their Katie-Trance. They are being scammed, right to their face, and they are laughing about it. They are going into debt BONDAGE and believing they are being made "free". Its George Orwell all over again. Debt-Bondage is Freedom. Notice the details. $100 a month on automatic credit card payme
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the trance music, long-term eye staring, and touchy-feely stuff, that would come right out of one of those "workshops". That is a way to rapidly manufacture intimacy. You could walk into a seminar, they could pair you up with a stranger and you stare in their eyes for an hour, and you feel emotionally intimate with a stranger. personally, I would not call that hypnosis, unless speci
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well, finally saw this infomercial DVD from the library. (never give these folks 1 penny). Transformation: The Life and Legacy of Werner Erhard (2006) Robyn Symon Rick Ross is in this movie!! Rick Ross appears as the lone-critic of Werner Erhard and EST on planet earth. It was very comical how they "framed" Rick Ross's criticism about the "re-victimization" of peo
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BK is using marriage as a metaphor, in a blog entry, The Husband Story. The thing to remember, is everything that BK writes is a "Story", it always has other layers of meaning worked into it, other than the obvious. On the surface, it looks like she is telling a story about her husband, but that is not what its really about. What is really about is YOUR relationship to Byron Ka
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The first part is basic silent self-hypnosis. The next part gets into profound areas. Psychology has proven humans have "core beliefs" which are simple base-concepts like... I am _____ People are ______ Life is ______ So she is getting into re-engineering your core beliefs in the way that she wants them to be, with Byron Katie at the center. This is why her core followers, lik
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there is a CD included in the book by Michael Beckwith. It includes Michael Beckwith's wife singing, and him preaching. His style is a very loud voice, quickly-spoken evangelist. But the content is a blend of various new age ideas. He begins each session, by telling people to relax, and breath deeply. He then goes into them being "receptive" and not trusting the Ego mind,
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No wonder they suppressed the book, A Cry In The Desert. It tells a different Story. For example, on page 26 of the book, the writer states that Byron Katie learned meditation from the therapists at the halfway house. That is a new one. Which therapists taught Byron Katie how to meditate? The book mentions that her husband Paul and daughter Roxann were there, so maybe they will know? But
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recently read some info about what are called "Nested Loops", which are used in this type of hypnosis that was coined by Richard Bandler and relates to the hypnotherapy of Milton Erickson. Byron Katie uses these techniques as well. These are basically stories within stories, sometimes 5 stories at once, that can set up a symbol/metaphor system, and in the confusion they create, serv
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dropped into a major bookstore...Eckhart Tolle has more than 10 different products taking up an entire shelf. Salesman Speaks. That guy is a real old school huckster. Byron Katie has a new book called, Who Would You Be Without Your Story? they have edited it into a dialogue format, which is very crafty. When people read that, its more indirect and suggestive, and they don't realize
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For all the enquiring minds out there, the co-founder of OneTaste Urban Retreat Center, Robert Kandell has a blog. Robert Kandell’s Blog Ladies, start your engines...The Ladies Man is back. But other than lists of his sexual conquests of the ladies by initial, and angst about going to sex parties, there is some info about OneTaste. It seems there is some trouble in paradise, people qui
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