Thanks for that link about the copied quote from the Gnosticism site, and the other esoteric links. Gnostic christianity, is the core foundation of the New Thought Christ Consciousness idea, in the end they amount to the same thing. Some people take it as a metaphor, whereas others take it literally and believe they can attain supernatural mystical powers. Very clearly James Ray just takes va
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On the Droid website there appears to be yet another NLP war brewing...the kind that makes your eyes glaze over and your head start nodding yes as you read the words and sign the contract for advanced seminar training now, as time is running out and there is only one space left... Generic "NLP" went out of vogue many years ago, and has a terrible reputation both technically and in te
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Yes, they deliberately distract the minds of those who enjoy thinking about abstract ideas and concepts and philosophies. They just fill it up the conscious mind with CONFUSION content, which can be non-dual blah blah, or anything else, including Seduction, pop-sych, self-help, MLM, there is no limit. As mentioned, they can even use the content of covert persuasion, to DO other types of covert p
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James Ray is using his main metaphorical themes in his tweeting...notice how in Modern Magick he used the image of the sun/moon, light/dark. He has tied that in with his name of "Ray", and being "light" and all that type of hypno-imagery that can be very effective for his followers in Deep Trance Now. So he is now trying to reframe being in jail and getting charged as bein
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This is exactly how they play it. And even their BS lowball says James Ray made $7 million over the past few years...that's since Oprah. Of course the number would be WAY higher, as many of these Guru's have all sorts of companies and income streams going on at once, many not in their direct name. Also, they have mastered ways to get massive cash donations/gifts from their followers.
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It is very likely that James Ray financial system is more sophisticated that Werner Erhards in that article, as that was from years ago. They have really refined these techniques, and all it takes is a meeting with experts in the field, which are referred by others. For example, James Ray could have simply hired the same financial experts that Tony Robbins or others use. And again, those are the
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Its really hard to believe that the bond is going to be lowered, with so many reports that JRI made 9 million in the last year. Its his company, James Ray International, but who knows, maybe the company is in his brothers name or something, or maybe the company has burned through all its money with complex money games. If Death Ray gets out on bail, then are they going to allow him to still r
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Its very interesting, the analysis of Dave Lakhani. His name came up in the context of other sleazy covert persuaders like Alex Benzer (Ali Binazir) and James Arthur Ray, and Michael Beckwith from The Secret. Dave Lakhani was basically chosen at random to analyze. He tries to make you believe he is teaching people about cults, covert persuasion, and how to protect themselves from getting exp
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...even many of the small-time local hypnosis people have been infected by the virus of covert persuasion hypnotherapy, they all read up on what's going on. They might not have books for sale, but some of them, even unconsciously, put in suggestions that encourage their own objectives. Even small time local people like to have regular clients, that get an "urge to keep coming back"
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From knowing a lot about hypnotherapy and hypnosis, one should be extremely skeptical about anyone who is selling this. It really has to be approached as one approaches a medical doctor, a real MD that a person sees for real medical issues. If a person goes to see an MD or a surgeon, one has to be certain they know what they are talking about, if you are going under the knife, for example. Hy
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to follow up on the last few posts... @ scrambledeggs yes, all of these LGAT groups like Byron Katie, and many others, have a program or a system like the BK "certification", they just call it something else, like a franchise. They tell them, take these seminars for 2 years that cost 25K-100K and more, and then you are going to make lots of money! In fact 99% of the people make alm
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A quick analysis of the book Subliminal Persuasion by Dave Lakhani. There has been so much BS and deliberate confusion put forward around this issue and Dave Lakhani, when in reality its not that complicated. The distortion starts right in the Preface to the book, where Lakhani redefines subliminal persuasion to be equated with propaganda, in the sense of causing a group of people to take act
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by the way, there appears to be some clarification on exploringthemind.com about the hypnosis email address. But more importantly, and this is a huge subject. So far, the things Dave Lakhani is saying about "hypnosis" and covert hypnosis, and conversational hypnosis, cannot be trusted. On a scale of accurate knowledge, with 99% being the highest trust, then on this subject Dave Lakh
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Dave Lakhani is still at it, always the Applied Propagandist. The poster says to Lakhani, that it must have been an oversight, to not mention that he was alerted to his "mistake" about CAN and Scientology on the RickRoss.com forum. (By the way, that is not just a mistake, that is serious gross negligence, and could actually ruin vulnerable people's lives by referring them in
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Tad James has been deeply involved in every aspect of hypnosis/persuasion for a very long time. To see a sample of what is out there, for educational purposes, one could search Google for: torrent "tad james" hypnosis Tad James - Deep Trance Phenomena Tad James - Huna Tad James - Master Practitioner - 2002 Tad James - NLP & Ericksonian Hypnosis
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Its a very good point about these types of persuasion salespeople becoming very directive, forceful, and giving direct orders to people. They know that that works. It works on some people just to order them, to DIRECT them to do something. Large amounts of people respond submissively to that, and will literally do as they are told. Persuaders know that, and know often there is no need for fancy
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There is a book by Guy Finley called The Essential Laws of Fearless Living. They even have an extremely slick and highly manipulative website. www.essentiallaws.org just full of all sorts of sales and marketing techniques. They even offer "152 FREE GIFTS". These folks know what they are doing, in terms of internet marketing and the psychology of sales. The book open with a list I
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By the way, obviously, agreeing to do a staged phone call with a professional over-the-phone persuader is a really bad idea. First off, since the persuader knows its a staged recording, he/she will be on their best behavior, and tone it down, and play-act a different persona. Also, that staged phone call would then appear as marketing on other websites, as an example of how innocent, pure and
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The keywords used on that website www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html give a picture of the sadistic and even psychopathic mentality of their target market. Take a moment to read through some of the phrases and keywords, for some insight into the sick and dangerous mentality of those who actively seek out this material, and who their targets will be. www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate
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There is too much to follow up all together... Just to follow up about the alleged NLP here. This is not going away. to quote Richard Bandler...the NLP claims being made are going to be researched RIGHT DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM. You see, one has to cut right down to the roots of a problem...so to speak. The comments made by Dave Lakhani about "NLP" are actually highly dec
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Its ridiculous about the torrents and downloading. It was actually said that untrained people should NOT download, and should not buy, any of these countless so-called persuasion programs from torrents or wherever, as they are all LOADED top to bottom with all sorts of tricks, to upsell people, and do things to you without your awareness. Many of the persuasion people deliberately release that j
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Its very unfortunate there are not more people in the marketplace, who are willing to actually teach the public how others are "putting them into a trance in seconds", and what that means, and exactly how it works. The problem is that those who know how to do it, do it to make money and they are not going to cut their own nose off. And there appears to be no serious money to be mad
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This is to reinforce the WARNING put out about the methods and tactics of Dave Lakhani in a previous post. Of course that warning was 100% correct, and here is the evidence. There is much more evidence than this, but this gets to the direct point. ___________QUOTE__________________ Dave Lakhani Speakersite QUOTE by Dave Lakhani: "I'm also one of the world's fastest hypno
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Bingo. You see, this is their methodology. They have years and years of professional experience and advanced training, in conversational hypno-persuasion, using all sorts of complex and loaded techniques, combined with every sales technique on earth. That is what Richard Bandler, for example, primarily teaches and does these days. (with lots of smoke and mirrors thrown in). So for an untrained p
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Just to clarify a point about the links in this thread between Michael Beckwith, and how some other names became involved. As a matter of fact, the main person involved has a link to a precise persuasion technique being used by Michael Beckwith, in a link below. Early in this thread, an "article" in the Huffington Post that was advertising and doing viral marketing for Michael Beckw
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There is so much above from Dave Lakhani that needs to be looked at, and it will be looked at as time permits. After all, he's not the only person in the world who's worked with ole Richard Bandler. But take note of the serious WARNING in previous posts, about being extremely cautious when "talking in person" or on the phone, to these kinds of professional advanced persuad
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There is a interesting post by someone with the username "Antara" on the Janaki blog, who claims there were there the day after the alleged cockroach hypnotized Byron Katie. Absolutely fascinating. Antara says that over a period of 2 years, that Byron Katie found the "language" for what happened, by doing all of the self-helpy seminars, 12 steps, and other material that
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One thing I want to mention, is the comments made about Tony Parsons so far, were mainly from a comment from another person on the Janaki blog, where someone else referenced Tony Parsons name numerous times in a blog comment. Of course, people are free to do what they like, and its their life. But its not a great idea to move from Byron Katie, who presents herself as "non-dual" and
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Byron Katie is still at it, still able to induce trance-states in such a way to make true believers believe she is a divine superbeing. Byron Katie is so skilled a rapid hypnotic trance-induction, that she can walk into a room, and start to put people into trance states in just a few minutes. Its possible to learn and develop those skills, but it takes talent and a lot of experience, and BK has
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Guy Finley is not a salesman. He is cross-marketed on over 5,000 blogs by accident. The company owns and runs a few dozen interconnected website also by accident. GUYFINLEY.COM Administrative Contact: Chris Amen Life of Learning foundation PO Box 10 Merlin, OR 97532 US Guy Finley Jedi-speak.... Liberate yourself from your thoughts and feelings! Especially
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